Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
The technology has existed for years. In fact much of broadcast TV has invisible watermarks that can identify when and where it was used. And there are monitoring services that have servers around the globe that watch most broadcast TV and detect usage of their clients’ video.
However, the primary usage of that service is not copyright infringement. NBC News uses it to monitor which of the stories they produce get picked up by their affiliates - so they can understand what their affiliates want. And the big networks use it to figure out whether the commercials they send along with their programs get overwritten by affiliate stations. And advertisers use it to monitor when and where their ads run - to make sure the TV stations are living up to their contractual obligations.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
Works like a proxy. You want to see who hacked you so you track him to the UK, then you find out he used a proxy and you track him again to Cyprus. Then you find out that was actually proxy #2 and voila, you are in Montreal.
Over the course of time, we’ve found out the real company is usually in Luxembourg
Anyway, bottom line is that it’s really really hard to take legal action against them.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=andreiDL;129926]Works like a proxy. You want to see who hacked you so you track him to the UK, then you find out he used a proxy and you track him again to Cyprus. Then you find out that was actually proxy #2 and voila, you are in Montreal.
Over the course of time, we’ve found out the real company is usually in Luxembourg
Anyway, bottom line is that it’s really really hard to take legal action against them.[/QUOTE]
So they really can’t claim innocence. They have setup their business in such a way that they can commit crimes without any legal implications? Absolutely disgusting. Them and their employees are nothing but criminals.
Do we know what companies or affiliate programs they own and run? Who is behind ManHub, Haze Cash?
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=rawTOP;129898]The technology has existed for years. In fact much of broadcast TV has invisible watermarks that can identify when and where it was used. And there are monitoring services that have servers around the globe that watch most broadcast TV and detect usage of their clients’ video.
However, the primary usage of that service is not copyright infringement. NBC News uses it to monitor which of the stories they produce get picked up by their affiliates - so they can understand what their affiliates want. And the big networks use it to figure out whether the commercials they send along with their programs get overwritten by affiliate stations. And advertisers use it to monitor when and where their ads run - to make sure the TV stations are living up to their contractual obligations.[/QUOTE]
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
We were interested in using it, problem is every new video file must go through PornGuardian’s servers in the first 24 hours after publishing. (that’s when most downloads occur)
We pay a lot to our CDN to make sure our files get distributed around the world at high speeds so we weren’t comfortable sacrificing the speed for the video watermarking service.
But I think we will go for it eventually.
Basically it does exactly what Conran described, attaches unique download information per user so then you get reports and see where the file was uploaded. So if a member downloads a scene and uploads it to Manhub for example, you can see which of your members did that and ban his account.
However it is not 100% reliable.
Dominic can give you more info about it, I’m sure!
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
Oh, I just saw a big “Bang Bros” title on Hazecash.com’s top banner. Googled Bang Bros, found out they were launched / founded by Reality Kings in 2009 or something like that. And I know Manwin aquired Reality Kings or merged with them recently.
Maybe Bang Bros split up from that, I have no idea. That’s what Google told me.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
I’m sorry, I might be wrong here and maybe rushed into posting earlier. But from what I find on Google, all of these sites & networks (bang bros, hazecash, program3 etc.) seem to belong to rknetmedia which is Reality Kings.
As far as I know RK merged or were acquired by Manwin recently.
Anyway, as I said I might be wrong, information from Google is not 100% reliable.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
It is NOT owned by Manwin; Gaytube is, not Manhub
As Julie states, Manwin has always maintained they don’t own these companies. Gaytube is one of the most sponsor friendly tube sites and do an excellent job of keeping pirated videos off of their site. I’m not saying all of their other tube sites are perfect, but I do believe Julie is correct in that they don’t have any ownership in Manhub or HazeCash (although Manhub/Hazecash does probably advertise on their network). Now if we could get a giant like Manwin to publicly state they would boycott Manhub, then we could really get somewhere. But as it does look like they have an advertising relationship, this is probably unlikely.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
Here’s what I learned from the boyfriend type of sites – it’s a big game of semantics.
Let’s say you have a program called Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah and they run a bunch of sites. Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah is run by a guy named John Smith and he reports to the head guy, we’ll call him Mark Adams. Now, Mark Adams hires a new guy (Tony Taylor) and Tony’s in charge of a new program, lets call it Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money, but Tony Taylor reports to Mark Adams. John Smith, the guy who runs Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah doesn’t have anything to do with Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money.
So Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money opens a bunch of sites that look really similar to Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah and in fact they both seem to have the same content. So you ask Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money: Aren’t you guys just Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah with a different name. To which they reply, “Oh no, we have nothing to do with Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah.” And that’s essentially true: Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah and Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money report to the same guy at the top, but have nothing to do with each other.
Sometimes it gets complicated as John and Tony report to two separate people who in turn report to the big guy at the top.
The question you should be asking Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money: Is this a Mark Adams company? But you wouldn’t know to ask that because you’ve actually never heard of the guy. So you should probably be asking, who owns Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money? But in my experience Mark Adams will say, “I do,” even though he really doesn’t. So it’s next to impossible to (a) get a straight answer or (b) figure out what’s doing on.
And the whole who owns Manhub, Haze Cash, Bang Bros is all so deja vu to me. Same thing goes with who and what does Manwin own?
