ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?

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#161

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[QUOTE=dzinerbear;129997]Here’s what I learned from the boyfriend type of sites – it’s a big game of semantics.

Let’s say you have a program called Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah and they run a bunch of sites. Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah is run by a guy named John Smith and he reports to the head guy, we’ll call him Mark Adams. Now, Mark Adams hires a new guy (Tony Taylor) and Tony’s in charge of a new program, lets call it Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money, but Tony Taylor reports to Mark Adams. John Smith, the guy who runs Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah doesn’t have anything to do with Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money.

So Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money opens a bunch of sites that look really similar to Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah and in fact they both seem to have the same content. So you ask Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money: Aren’t you guys just Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah with a different name. To which they reply, “Oh no, we have nothing to do with Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah.” And that’s essentially true: Boyfriend Big Gay Moolah and Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money report to the same guy at the top, but have nothing to do with each other.

Sometimes it gets complicated as John and Tony report to two separate people who in turn report to the big guy at the top.

The question you should be asking Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money: Is this a Mark Adams company? But you wouldn’t know to ask that because you’ve actually never heard of the guy. So you should probably be asking, who owns Let’s Make Lots of Gay Money? But in my experience Mark Adams will say, “I do,” even though he really doesn’t. So it’s next to impossible to (a) get a straight answer or (b) figure out what’s doing on.

And the whole who owns Manhub, Haze Cash, Bang Bros is all so deja vu to me. Same thing goes with who and what does Manwin own?[/QUOTE]

And I was able to actually follow you through and understand that Michael… amazing explanation!

#162

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Hey … it comes from first-hand experience and having lost a $K or two.

#163

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Adding on here from another post…

I could be wrong in my thinking, but considering how much visibility Google is giving to these tube sites and even the list of top tube sites in the SERPs changes, couldn’t it be that the amount of traffic rushing to these sites has a major impact on how Google see’s the sites and their importance?

If there is a ton of traffic going to these sites in comparison to say for example, Treasure Island Media (TIM), when searching for bareback gay porn we’re seeing the tube sites dominate the SERPs. We all know for a fact that any bareback producer, blogger (rawTOP for example) are going to target those keywords and optimize their site accordingly. I know for a fact that rawTOP’s sites used to be in the Top 5 on a consistent basis and now I don’t see him on the first 2 pages.

If indeed Google is putting a lot of importance on the amount of traffic and see’s this as what the “general public” deems to be a good site, we’re fighting an uphill battle as long as they have all of the “free pirated content” to give the viewers. Take away the product, the viewers go on the hunt again searching for where the content is.

Try putting a fire out when you have a guy on the other side dumping gasoline on it.

Did DRM and not offering downloads have such a negative impact after all? As a result… at what cost are we paying today for removing DRM and offering downloads?

I’m not insinuating that DRM and no downloads stopped the thieves 100%, but in all honesty, it surely helped stop what we are seeing “now” as a result. You won’t always see the long term effects of choices we make. It’s impossible to know or predict mankind in their thinking. But I still think we’ve had and played a HUGE part in bringing about this phenomenon.

#164

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Surfers seemed to hate DRM. One of the big problems is that MAC and Unix users couldn’t download the vids at all, they had to stream them.

And back when DRM was introduced, everyone was offering downloads, so the review sites looked at DRM as a way of throttling or limiting the surfer’s enjoyment.

There may have been other issues with DRM, I’m not all that familiar with the technology.

Also, back then, surfers were very much into collecting and burning videos to DVD, just like surfers used to maintain massive collections of pictures back in 1999.

Honestly, with so many people now using laptops, tablets, and cell phones to watch videos, and with the decline of the desktop computer, I’m just not sure how much surfers want to download and keep video. Tablets certainly don’t have DVD slots to play DVDs. Most laptops do, but some don’t.

And another way to look at it: tube sites are already training surfers to watch video online. So in a sense, perhaps tubes are contributing to their own demise. If all paysites cut off the supply of full-length, downloadable video, then they couldn’t so easily appear on tubes and surfers would be left with 2-minute sponsor clips and crappy shit the tubes buy on old DVDs from second-rate proucers. (And even though Corbin Fisher type sites have DVDs, they’re not licenced to webmasters to use on websites.)

So tube sites are training surfers to watch video online, and if their supply of good-quality, brand new, full-length is cut off, surfers will have to look for it on paysites, and since they’re already used to watching video online, is it going to be a big deal?

The question is though: do surfers really want to watch Corbin Fisher, Sean Cody, Randy Blue videos enough to have to pay for them, or are they just as happy watching some second-rate jock video produced by some unknown company and thrown up on DVD and licenced to tube sites. Do surfers “need” Japan Boyz or are they okay with any video as long as it has Asian guys in it, even if it looks like it was filmed through the bottom of a brown paper bag? If content is free are surfers willing to give up good or excellent quality?

With rawtop pointing out the drop in brand searches, it almost seems as if surfers don’t care about who produces the content as long as they don’t have to pay for it.

#165

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True. Nowadays most important ranking factor for Google is surfer’s behavior. The more traffic a site has, the longer people stay on a site and the more pages people visit on a site… the more love it gets from Google. That’s not weird, cause Google want to deliver what people like the most. So Google does a good job for their users and they don’t really care about piracy.

That’s what makes it so hard to compete with the illegal tubes. If a surfer watches two 30 minute scenes on a tube, he spent an hour on that site. How can any blog, review site, gallery site keep a surfer busy for an hour? Even with the best written and unique articles, we can’t beat the tubes in terms of how much time a surfer spends on a site.

The only way to win this battle is to go after the illegal tubes… sending a couple of DMCA notices isn’t helping in the long run. Those sites cooperate and respond to DMCA notices, while the traffic keeps coming in.

#166

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[QUOTE=OldSchool;130158]we’re fighting an uphill battle as long as they have all of the “free pirated content” to give the viewers.

Take away the product, the viewers go on the hunt again searching for where the content is.

Try putting a fire out when you have a guy on the other side dumping gasoline on it.

I’m not insinuating that DRM and no downloads stopped the thieves 100%, but in all honesty, it surely helped stop what we are seeing “now” as a result. [/QUOTE]

Hence my remarks pocoloco, dzinerbear :slight_smile:

#167

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As a surfer I would most likely be happy with this site -
http://gay.porn.com/

#168

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[QUOTE=abostonboy;130190]As a surfer I would most likely be happy with this site -
http://gay.porn.com/[/QUOTE]

Got to agree with you Lloyd… great site, great price (free), full length, watched 3 videos got to my happy place, all done! What more could a guy want for FREE!!! :bang:

And I didn’t even have to put in any information, email address or register!

I’ll bookmark that site and never have to pay for porn again or go searching for it.

#169

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Is it any wonder why religious groups and fanatics are all up in arms about Little Johnny and Susie watching porn on their computers when you have sites like gay dot porn dot com pumping it out for free to any and all surfers? There one of the sites I’ve come across when checking search engines and hover around the top of the serp’s.

At least paysites have some restrictions with requiring a credit card to join and not providing free full length videos.

Time to refocus!

#170

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God who would have thought back in the days when we were angry about TGPs and MGPs giving too much for free that someday we’d have sites giving away thousands of FULL LENGTH videos at absolutely no charge. It definitely makes our jobs as marketers and producers more difficult…we really have to give customers a great product to keep them. I think the strong will survive and adapt, but unless there are some major changes forced upon tube sites or a major shift in Google, we are all just going to have to work that much harder.

One positive is that the other search engines (Yahoo, Bing, DuckDuckGo) still gives the same kind of results that Google used to. I really don’t know why we all focus so much attention on Google either. As others have said, we should be spreading the word about other search engines or even creating our own! Don’t like Google? Tell your surfers why! I also think if someone came out with a combination of search engine with social media for the adult industry, it could be huge. We need to stop complaining and use this as an opportunity to start innovating again!

#171

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“You Don’t Have To Use Google – Here Are The Alternatives”
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/you-dont-have-to-use-google--here-are-the-alternatives-2012-2?op=1#ixzz2MPGuPDKs

Microsoft: Google breached your privacy; use Bing
Summary: Microsoft’s latest campaign takes an almighty swipe at Google, after the search giant was found to have circumvented the privacy settings of Safari users across the Web earlier this year.

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-google-breached-your-privacy-use-bing-7000004571/

#172

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The industry evolving right now. As I said before I truly believe the growth phase of many membership sites has gone to the point where many are just barely breaking even before hitting that crucial growth top. This is from talking to quite a few in the industry.

One positive is that the other search engines (Yahoo, Bing, DuckDuckGo) still gives the same kind of results that Google used to. I really don’t know why we all focus so much attention on Google either.

I don’t really focus that much attention to Google. Anyone that focuses their business on what Google is doing is practicing poor risk management imho. It can change overnight. As for the other search engines, they just don’t have the traffic. Would be like dumping VISA on your tours.

As others have said, we should be spreading the word about other search engines or even creating our own! Don’t like Google? Tell your surfers why! I also think if someone came out with a combination of search engine with social media for the adult industry, it could be huge. We need to stop complaining and use this as an opportunity to start innovating again!

There is an adult search engine, I bet it will be very social.
http://www.search.xxx/search?site=all&client=oball&output=xml_no_dtd&proxystylesheet=default_frontend&proxycustom=<HOME/>&utm_source=XXXdotXXX&utm_campaign=POP&utm_medium=website
But once again, it takes a company with the willingness to create it. .xxx has a head start.

#173

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[QUOTE=OldSchool;130215]Got to agree with you Lloyd… great site, great price (free), full length, watched 3 videos got to my happy place, all done! What more could a guy want for FREE!!! :bang:

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I would suspect that many surfers feel the same way. As one can see for that site, tube site owners don’t need stolen content to get a huge number of videos and an insane amount of traffic. In this case they don’t even need sponsor content whatsoever. Sponsors are not part of the business model whatsoever… It’s all about traffic.

And before anyone says, well a site like this will never make any money. They are making bank. In fact, I knew one very big tube site that had it’s hosting bill paid for every month by just the one cam sponsor. The rest was gravy.

#174

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The industry evolving right now.

Hmm maybe we have to question if it’s evolving or devolving?

There is an adult search engine, I bet it will be very social.

This search engine only brings up .xxx sites, which represents only a tiny fraction of the adult industry. Someone needs to create something social, adult and that represents the whole market.

In fact, I knew one very big tube site that had it’s hosting bill paid for every month by just the one cam sponsor. The rest was gravy.

Is this where you see the adult industry ‘evolving’ to? No more memberships, free content, and giving it all away in order to sell webcams?
If so, I think all adult producers and affiliates that don’t have huge tubes with full movies and massive traffic had better start looking for other jobs!

#175

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[QUOTE=dannyz;130344]
Is this where you see the adult industry ‘evolving’ to? No more memberships, free content, and giving it all away in order to sell webcams?
If so, I think all adult producers and affiliates that don’t have huge tubes with full movies and massive traffic had better start looking for other jobs![/QUOTE]

Actually… I don’t see it evolving that way. That is just where it is now. Five years from now I see the membership model changing. This year is the year that we are investing in technology to be competitive 3-5 years from now.

I do see in the near future the growth stage of a typical membership site continue to decline. Membership sites can compete with “free” as long as they evolve.

#176

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[QUOTE=dannyz;130344]Hmm maybe we have to question if it’s evolving or devolving?

This search engine only brings up .xxx sites, which represents only a tiny fraction of the adult industry. Someone needs to create something social, adult and that represents the whole market.

Is this where you see the adult industry ‘evolving’ to? No more memberships, free content, and giving it all away in order to sell webcams?
If so, I think all adult producers and affiliates that don’t have huge tubes with full movies and massive traffic had better start looking for other jobs![/QUOTE]

I am going to stop posting in these types of threads, especially when I am only half quoted. I couldn’t even remember in what context I made my original statement without going back and looking…

I feel in many ways, like you (I believe), that we just let things happen. You mentioned an adult search engine as an example. .xxx has always said they are going to be more than another top level domain. Here -

Next year, ICM plans to introduce a proprietary micropayment system. This service, Lawley promises, will help blue-chip pornographers fight back against the proliferation of free and pirated smut online. “We’re going to do for adult what Apple (AAPL) did for the music business with the iTunes store,” he predicts.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-21/the-new-republic-of-porn

Now. I disagree with .xxx, but you got to give these guys credit, they have a plan that they feel will fight all the free porn. Who knows how big it will become and if it will work. But them having their own search engine really makes sense. Most likely it will become very social in the blink of an eye.

Google has said for a while that they are going to give social a higher ranking. Reading some of the threads on this board it seems like to many this is all something new.

Over the past few years and more recently the past year there has been a huge shift in traffic. That shift in traffic appears to have gone parabolic in the last 12 months.

#177

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Which is synonymous with adapting… evolution is a law of nature .

#178

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[QUOTE=abostonboy;130396]I am going to stop posting in these types of threads, especially when I am only half quoted. I couldn’t even remember in what context I made my original statement without going back and looking…

I feel in many ways, like you (I believe), that we just let things happen. You mentioned an adult search engine as an example. .xxx has always said they are going to be more than another top level domain. Here -

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-21/the-new-republic-of-porn

Now. I disagree with .xxx, but you got to give these guys credit, they have a plan that they feel will fight all the free porn. Who knows how big it will become and if it will work. But them having their own search engine really makes sense. Most likely it will become very social in the blink of an eye.

Google has said for a while that they are going to give social a higher ranking. Reading some of the threads on this board it seems like to many this is all something new.

Over the past few years and more recently the past year there has been a huge shift in traffic. That shift in traffic appears to have gone parabolic in the last 12 months.[/QUOTE]

I think we all more or less agree, sadly that makes no difference.

The problem is that .XXX and it’s search engine is all about making money off their domains, selling spots on their on search engine and domains. It has absolutely nothing to do with improving the experience. They could not give a shit about surfers, they only want money. Just look at it’s owner! .XXX is not about having a good business idea, it’s about blackmail and making as much profit as possible. It’s a bunch of crooks.

Again with Google, sure there is a huge shift in traffic but it’s not improving the quality of what the end user get. Search quality is worse with only a certain kind of sites benefiting. Not everyone will want to visit a tube site. But currently no matter what you type in, it’s a tube site that comes up. For example, if you want to find out about Bondage, learning what it’s all about, finding others who are into the same thing… a tube site won’t be what you want, yet Google present it to the surfer.

Google have very clearly favoured sites that are big, the bigger the better search position. It means smaller sites with good content has no chance, it’s size over quality which makes no sense at all. Take Manhub, it offers rubbish user experience, it’s badly designed and plastered with adverts. There are lots of other tube sites that offer the same videos in a far superior format.

#179

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I have had emails from webmasters regarding their upload of Sobecash videos to the ManHub website. Although it has helped them to get sales, the videos they have uploaded are eventually deleted without any notice from the site. That’s a bit rude.

#180

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Well not all tubes allow affiliates to earn money by uploading a sponsor’s videos.