Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
so make the clips two minutes, filled with 1min and 30 seconds of advertising
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
If ManHub already removed the content (ie: it’s not there when Google looks) they reject the DMCA.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
I’ve been suggesting a similar thing in the fight against file sharing, but no one seems to be too bothered about it. Any of us could create any videos, of any length, containing anything, and flood the tubes and file sharing sites with them. And with a little effort from a consortium of sites and studios it could seriously damage the piracy business within months.
File sharing sites crawl for results from other sites, seeding the sites with fake videos would send them around like a virus to most of the biggest piracy sites out there. A lot of people are given incentives to share one file in return for another, they don’t even look at the file they are uploading for sharing, thus exacerbating the spread.
It’s not enough to keep begging for content to be taken down, it does nothing to even slow the spread of stolen content. The only way to change this is to damage the trust and faith people have in those sites.
If a tube or file sharing site is flooded with content no one wants, and every time they go to watch a video called “Steve Fucks Trevor” they get a short documentary on the life of the Dung Beetle, the trust in that file sharing site or tube will be dramatically diminished over time. Users of those sites will attack them, abandon them, and move on to another. These sites only exist because they have a reputation amongst a dedicated audience of thieves for being able to deliver what surfers want. If they can’t deliver that the site dies.
The business right now is doing nothing to attack the real problem. It’s like mopping the floor while the house is flooding instead of fixing the broken pipe! 
Edited to add - I think the length of the video is important. I don’t think short videos the length of a trailer will do anything.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
Nothing has changed. This morning there are several full DVD’s and full episodes on the front page. All the stolen videos feature advertising for their own sites or their premium membership. It’s getting to a point where they offer a much better deal than all the different sponsor sites, simply no need to visit and subscribe to any other sites than ManHub.
I’m confused and just surprised that there is nothing bad or negative from stealing such a lot of content.
How do affiliates like myself compete with the likes of ManHub? How many blog posts do I need to write to make up for the thousands of stolen DVD’s and scenes?
I’ve not seen any real effort at boycotting either ManHub or Haze Cash. Or is that pointless too?
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
I think what seems to be happening in that you send a DMCA notice to Manhub and send a report to Google. By the time Google looks at it, Manhub has removed the content so there’s no infraction.
And Manhub is just like the good old days of AVS: take whatever you want, from wherever you want, make galleries and make money until you’re caught, and then say, “Sorry,” and remove it.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=dzinerbear;128310]I think what seems to be happening in that you send a DMCA notice to Manhub and send a report to Google. By the time Google looks at it, Manhub has removed the content so there’s no infraction.
And Manhub is just like the good old days of AVS: take whatever you want, from wherever you want, make galleries and make money until you’re caught, and then say, “Sorry,” and remove it.[/QUOTE]
That does seem to be what’s happening. It still surprises me though that there is nothing negative from doing what ManHub does.
Why should I not do the same as ManHub? After all there is no negative effect from doing what they do. I can’t see any other way forward than accepting user submitted videos on my own sites, why make it more difficult for myself?
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
I don’t understand how this works, so I’ve manually submitted some links. I got confirmation “They were removed”. But they are still on Manhub. So are they just being removed from Google Search but they continue to exist on Manhub?
Anyway, we’ve got our lawyers on this, apparently Google doesn’t help much.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=andreiDL;128314]I don’t understand how this works, so I’ve manually submitted some links. I got confirmation “They were removed”. But they are still on Manhub. So are they just being removed from Google Search but they continue to exist on Manhub?
Anyway, we’ve got our lawyers on this, apparently Google doesn’t help much.[/QUOTE]
As I understand it, Google just removes the links to the videos in their search, but the idea is supposed to be that if they get too many requests they’ll block the entire site. This obviously doesn’t happen, otherwise Hollywood and the record labels wouldn’t be screaming about Google every chance they get.
The problem is that people already know about the site. Once it’s bookmarked it doesn’t matter how many times you beg Google to do something about it. It’s like throwing virgins into the volcano and expecting the weather to change. The videos are there, ManHub is not doing anything to stop it, they are using pirated content to make their money and everyone else is playing catch-up and pleading for it to end.
I’ll say it again, studios are being pussies about this. It’s time to kick some ass and make life very difficult for these sites.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
Even if google removes 10 links, the lastest 100 links will come out in no time.
And Google only removes the search results, but the pirate contents will stay there forever.
It’s an endless war you can never win.
The only way to stop the shit is probably reporting to FBI.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/white_collar/ipr/ipr
Report Violations
- Contact Your Local FBI Office
- File a Cyber Complaint
Or report to the ISP who hosts manhub. Request to shutdown the server
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=kblogger;128327]The only way to stop the shit is probably reporting to FBI.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/white_collar/ipr/ipr
Report Violations
- Contact Your Local FBI Office
- File a Cyber Complaint
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I wanted to try that. Sadly it only works if one of the parties is a citizen or located in the United Stats.
Manhub is registered in the UK, we are an European company. Bummer :sad:
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=andreiDL;128329]I wanted to try that. Sadly it only works if one of the parties is a citizen or located in the United Stats.
Manhub is registered in the UK, we are an European company. Bummer :sad:[/QUOTE]
Don’t worry about that. Remember how the owner of megaupload was arrested?
He is not an american and he lives in New Zealand. So what? FBI is too powerful. 
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
Yes but you have to be an American citizen / American company to report it.
You can report a non-US citizen if you are an US citizen.
You can report an US citizen if you are not an US citizen.
You can’t report anything if both are non-US citizens.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=andreiDL;128332]Yes but you have to be an American citizen / American company to report it.
You can report a non-US citizen if you are an US citizen.
You can report an US citizen if you are not an US citizen.
You can’t report anything if both are non-US citizens.[/QUOTE]
Non-US citizen could forword the request to those US site owners, asking them to file the complaint.
As long as manhub hosts their gay porn full videos illegally, they get motivated to do the job.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
Manhub registered a bogus company in the UK in 2012:
P3 WEBTECH, LTD
OVERSEAS HOUSE
66-68 HIGH ROAD
BUSHEY HEATH
HERTS
UNITED KINGDOM
WD23 1GG [B]
Company No. 08144973
[/B]Anyone can do the same and this address is shared by lots of companies. It only costs $100 to setup and is maintained by http://www.openaeuropeancompany.com
The company director is Tobias Sachdev, also director of at least 26 other companies if not more. Probably have nothing to do with the real Manhub. There is no real UK presence, no offices, no staff, just a postbox and a fake company director.
Total utter bullshit.
They now also offer your videos for download in 4 different formats including HD to their paying members. :picknose:
Anyone feeling screwed over yet?
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
Less copyright submits to Google recently.
I also noticed something interesting. ManHub has lots duplicate content with several other sites, their entire review section is identical to gayreviews.com and nudereviews.com, yet Google doesn’t penalize them. It seems Google is in love with illegal tube sites.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
The idea of not offering the download of videos in member areas is sounding more and more attractive. Give them photos to download, but no videos.
That or the idea of creating bogus videos for them to scrape sounded pretty good too. But we’re still faced with those members that are downloading and uploading to these tube sites. Not to mention these “affiliates” that want access to your full length videos, edit them down to 5 and 10 minute clips, watermark them with their URL and tell us that they will send us buttloads of traffic and sales this way. Granted they might, but how many of those guys are uploading full length with their URL also?
A little late now, but there are ways we can curve the piracy. I see too many sponsors/producers ignoring the fact that their full length content is up on these sites in exchange for the traffic/sales. Will affiliates stop promoting those sponsors? No. Will those sponsors start doing something about their pirated content? No. I’ve sent emails to sponsors/producers/paysites about their pirated content. No response, No DMCA’s sent apparently since that same content is still up on the tube site. Google isn’t doing crap about it and still gives weight to these sites in the SERP’s. Google is more focused on all their new projects and expanding their presence on the web and other markets. Can anyone say “monopoly?”
How many pair of boots/shoes are we going to wear out kicking on this dead horse?
There are other search engines out there with plenty of users as well. Stop focusing on Google, stop the bitching and start doing something about it.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=gaydemon;128602]Manhub registered a bogus company in the UK in 2012:
P3 WEBTECH, LTD
OVERSEAS HOUSE
66-68 HIGH ROAD
BUSHEY HEATH
HERTS
UNITED KINGDOM
WD23 1GG [B]
Company No. 08144973
[/B]Anyone can do the same and this address is shared by lots of companies. It only costs $100 to setup and is maintained by http://www.openaeuropeancompany.com
The company director is Tobias Sachdev, also director of at least 26 other companies if not more. Probably have nothing to do with the real Manhub. There is no real UK presence, no offices, no staff, just a postbox and a fake company director.
Total utter bullshit.
They now also offer your videos for download in 4 different formats including HD to their paying members. :picknose:
Anyone feeling screwed over yet?[/QUOTE]
This is the same information that Andrei and I found out back when this thread first got started. Andrei’s company attorneys were all ready to go but there’s nothing they can do. We were going to join in until we all found out that we were all dressed up to go and nowhere to go 
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=OldSchool;129889]The idea of not offering the download of videos in member areas is sounding more and more attractive. Give them photos to download, but no videos.
That or the idea of creating bogus videos for them to scrape sounded pretty good too. But we’re still faced with those members that are downloading and uploading to these tube sites. Not to mention these “affiliates” that want access to your full length videos, edit them down to 5 and 10 minute clips, watermark them with their URL and tell us that they will send us buttloads of traffic and sales this way. Granted they might, but how many of those guys are uploading full length with their URL also?
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It’s a shame there isn’t a way to stamp the videos, thereby establishing which users have shared that content. The first person to create that ability will make a lot of money. I guess there are ways it could be narrowed down, for instance swapping out the video file and leaving a marker in there somewhere, so you could perhaps date the video and change it each day, then when you see it shared you can look through logs to see which users downloaded that video on that day… it might not be great for time and effort, but if you have one member downloading and sharing every single video it might be possible to spot the pattern and then act against them.
My theory is that there aren’t hundreds doing this, not even tens of people. There’s probably one person for a site like MH signing up as a member and harvesting the videos for the tube, it’s just a matter of finding that user and then banning/prosecuting/publishing details for other sites etc…
Ideally there needs to be a watermark system of some kind, stamping the username on the actual video, creating a new unique download file for every single user.
Failing that, I actually agree that it might be time to end downloads, or perhaps only to offer them to members after a certain period of membership has passed. That wont stop people from using browser plugins to download the streaming content though.
And I definitely agree with you on becoming more aggressive and attacking the tubes and file sharing sites more directly with fake content. There are a lot of torrent sites out there that harvest from each other, so adding one fake file to one of the biggest could see it copied across hundreds of sharing sites and tubes too. I’ll keep saying it until someone tries it - doing that in a concerted effort with several sites creating fake videos and uploading them to those sites could seriously damage the credibility and use of those piracy sites over just a short time.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
I know it can be done. A roommate had downloaded a pirated movie (mainstream, theater kind) from a torrent site or some place and I was using COX at the time for my ISP. I come home from shopping, unload and put away the groceries, sit down at my computer to check email and BAM, no internet! There was an alarming message from COX that my internet was shut off due to an illegal download (piracy).
I called them up to sort this out, explained the household circumstances and they turned me back on with a very close watch on the service. I had a meeting with everyone in the house and didn’t have the problem anymore. So I know for a fact it can be done on the ISP level even.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
And there’s the added problem of affiliates. Faced with declining sales, when do I as an affiliate just decide I can’t beat 'em so I might as well promote them?
If I can’t sell enough paysite memberships to pay my bills, but I can sell tube site premium memberships instead, then perhaps that’s where affiliate marketing is headed.
Right now Xtube offers content-making amateurs the opportunity to make money, but it doesn’t look like affiliates can make money off referral traffic. But as soon as the tubes figure out how to bring affiliates into the equation, lots of them will go for it.
And I’ll ask again: why are paysites allowing members to download videos? Paysite are putting their future sales and growth in the hands of people who simply don’t give a shit.
And why should they? If this industry has such disregard for their own product that they’re willing to give it away, why should anyone else care?
I’m sure word has spread in the downloading community: Don’t upload or download Corbin Fisher videos, those fuckers will find you and sue your ass off and send a collections agency after you. And it’s probably worked fairly well.