Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
The idea is great that andreiDL has suggested. I just don’t know if there are some privacy issues. I know up here its very contentious.
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I’m very disappointed to see that no other sponsor than ZBuckz tried to do something about ManHub, not even bothering to submit DMCA notices to Google… For me this is the last straw. I’m not going to make an efforts to check for pirate content on sites I link to or work with. Not my problem any more.
http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/copyright/domains/manhub.com/
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Bjorn,
I understand how you feel. From our end, if Manhub is already showing “video has been removed” then it is not great to submit it to Google (because they’ll find nothing there and think the claim was fraudulent). That’s why you aren’t seeing Porn Guardian on that list at the moment. As soon as Google gives us automated access to their tools, our system will submit them at the same time we submit notes to the sites themselves.
Please don’t throw in the towel. While other people on this board might be bizarrely apathetic, there needs to be those of us who are fighting the good fight.
dominic
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I know that i have personally submitted to ManHub too.
Just because they are not showing in googles tools, does not mean DMCA’s are not being submitted.
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[QUOTE=Richard;126820]I know that i have personally submitted to ManHub too.
Just because they are not showing in googles tools, does not mean DMCA’s are not being submitted.[/QUOTE]
It means that DMCA notices have not been submitted to Google. People don’t think. Without Google traffic there is no Manhub or any other pirate. Using Google’s tools is a very effective way of dealing with piracy.
But anyway, not my problem or concern. Helping to fight against piracy obviously isn’t worth the hassle.
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We submitted 1000 links just today to Google. That’s a daily thing for us. It is worth the hassle, Bjorn. We just need to convince everyone else of that. Don’t let them convince you that it isn’t worth it!
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Manhub seems to have finally stopped uploading our full length scenes - I have checked multiple times since this thread started and pressure on them reached a critical point and I can’t find my scenes. I’ll gladly report them and sue them into oblivion if they start uploading my stuff again.
According to Steve there’s NO WAY for them to guarantee pirated content won’t make it there, but somehow they’ve managed to do that now. Makes you wonder if the full scenes were really user uploaded or not 
I think the Google threat made them take this seriously, as they clearly laugh at us and call us “haters” when we complain about our content being on manhub. They don’t give a crap about the people who spend millions on exclusive content and the affiliates that try to make a living. But if there’s a chance they’ll lose Google traffic, they suddenly care.
Now we need to apply the SAME pressure to all the bf sites with stolen content. Affiliates on here seem to still think it’s OK to have a user submitted (cough) bf site - why the double standard? Cause affiliates profit from it… funny how outrage works
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What Dominic says is actually true. After we had submitted our pirated files to PornGuardian, they were gone and disappeared from Manhub within 24 hours. I would have actually sent a lot more claims to Google if Manhub hadn’t taken down all our full videos, but I will say they are quick to take down files once a DMCA is sent to them. However, if they post anymore of our full scenes, we are now going to file the claim with Google before submitting to PornGuardian. I’d suggest other Content Producers to do the same. Otherwise Manhub will continue to receive traffic from Google off of your stolen files for months to come (and I would think enough copyright claims against them would also hurt their overall ranking).
I also agree with others let’s not give up hope Bjorn. I know a few of us on here have tried to do something; including sponsors like Kevin from SouthernStrokes who banned them and I’ve spoken with a couple of others on here that are doing what we can behind the scenes.
I’m sure Manhub is reading this thread as well, it would be nice if they would make a public statement about it all but they are hoping we all forget (and people like you Bjorn will throw in the towel). Rome wasn’t built in a day, but it wasn’t taken down in a day either … so let’s just keep on fighting the good fight and keep our eyes on them…I for one am NOT going to allow them to make money off of stealing our content, or any of our studio partners either.
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Did you submit any DMCA requests to Google about Manhub today or in the past? If not, why not?
[QUOTE=Jay_StandAhead;126829]Manhub seems to have finally stopped uploading our full length scenes - I have checked multiple times since this thread started and pressure on them reached a critical point and I can’t find my scenes. I’ll gladly report them and sue them into oblivion if they start uploading my stuff again.
According to Steve there’s NO WAY for them to guarantee pirated content won’t make it there, but somehow they’ve managed to do that now. Makes you wonder if the full scenes were really user uploaded or not
I think the Google threat made them take this seriously, as they clearly laugh at us and call us “haters” when we complain about our content being on manhub. They don’t give a crap about the people who spend millions on exclusive content and the affiliates that try to make a living. But if there’s a chance they’ll lose Google traffic, they suddenly care. [/QUOTE]
Ok, so basically they got away with it, no one reported them to Google (which would have hurt them) and they are doing business as usual except they avoiding your content. The way it should have worked is sponsor submits DMCA notice to both Google AND ManHub, then they remove the content but the incident is logged with Google. The more incidents are logged by different content owners the worse the penalty against ManHub. Obviously that does not work if you don’t do it and let them get away with it.
You want affiliates to help you boycott BF sites but sponsors are not willing to boycott ManHub? Sorry but it has to go both ways. The whole Manhub issue has left a very bad taste, it seems if you’re big enough you can do whatever you like, at worst you get a slap on the wrist.
I personally don’t really promote BF sites unless there is some way of verifying the content is theirs to use. But it’s really not the responsibility of affiliates to verify and control content on sponsor sites. Some of us have tried to do exactly that and as we’ve seen with ManHub that doesn’t work.
For years I have been checking for stolen content on every single site that wants to be listed on mine. Every little blog, free site and paysite… I’ve missed out on huge amounts of traffic because of that policy. Why did I bother and waste my time on that?
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It’s of course great news that they remove your content but they haven’t been hurt by this. These guys have used a lot of stolen content for a very long time and only had 1 single DMCA complaint on Google… It’s just going in circles: stolen content gets uploaded, DMCA notice to Manhub, content removed… and around it goes. Who does that benefit?
And yes, that’s right, [SIZE=7]1[/SIZE] complaint… Where are all the other incidents?
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Ok, so basically they got away with it, no one reported them to Google (which would have hurt them) and they are doing business as usual except they avoiding your content. The way it should have worked is sponsor submits DMCA notice to both Google AND ManHub, then they remove the content but the incident is logged with Google. The more incidents are logged by different content owners the worse the penalty against ManHub. Obviously that does not work if you don’t do it and let them get away with it.
I agree with you Bjorn, but actually I think the order of operations should be:
- The sponsor first submits the DMCA to Google. Google removes the file(s) from their search engines.
- After Google verifies the files are removed form their listing, the sponsor then DMCA’s the pirate site (or has PornGuardian do it for them).
I do think it would be great if PornGuardian had an opt in feature where they would first submit the DMCA to Google and then DMCA the pirate site…perhaps this is something Dominic could implement?
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[QUOTE=gaydemon;126832]Did you submit any DMCA requests to Google about Manhub today or in the past? If not, why not?
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Yes, we have. But if the offending material is removed before google takes a look at it, the request is denied by google (and won’t show up on that page you posted). It’s a matter of timing. (That’s my understanding of how Google works, anyhow).
We are trying to get Google to let us submit things in an automated fashion to them so they get the DMCA at the same time the sites do. That would be in line with your thoughts above. At the moment it’s a very manual process and they limit us to a certain number of URLs per day. So often it’s not possible to submit things in time thanks to Google’s own policies of making it difficult to submit things en masse.
I get that you are upset/dissapointed now, but many on this board see you as a leader in the industry. I would hate your confidence to be shaken by others’ lack of movement on Manhub. Instead, I am hoping it would embolden you to fight harder to convince these people they need to get off their lazy asses and do something. You’ve started that by posing the questions you are posting here.
You should come to the various conferences coming up (in the USA or Europe) where ManHub will surely be represented. We can storm the barricades together.
I wish I were in London to meet up face-to-face and talk all this over with you. Stay on the good side of this fight. We need you!
dominic
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[QUOTE=DominicFord;126835]Yes, we have. But if the offending material is removed before google takes a look at it, the request is denied by google (and won’t show up on that page you posted). It’s a matter of timing. (That’s my understanding of how Google works, anyhow).
We are trying to get Google to let us submit things in an automated fashion to them so they get the DMCA at the same time the sites do. That would be in line with your thoughts above. At the moment it’s a very manual process and they limit us to a certain number of URLs per day. So often it’s not possible to submit things in time thanks to Google’s own policies of making it difficult to submit things en masse.
I get that you are upset/dissapointed now, but many on this board see you as a leader in the industry. I would hate your confidence to be shaken by others’ lack of movement on Manhub. Instead, I am hoping it would embolden you to fight harder to convince these people they need to get off their lazy asses and do something. You’ve started that by posing the questions you are posting here.
You should come to the various conferences coming up (in the USA or Europe) where ManHub will surely be represented. We can storm the barricades together.
I wish I were in London to meet up face-to-face and talk all this over with you. Stay on the good side of this fight. We need you!
dominic[/QUOTE]
Just had a look at ManHubs front page today. On the front page alone there are 3 x 70mins long and 30 x between 15-30min long. Including several that I verified being stolen or not uploaded legally (Sean Cody 19min clip, Suite 703 23min clip, Tim Tales 20 min clip…) They clearly choose to earn money on stolen content. I also can see several sponsors are uploading their own clips to them.
Disappointment is when you realize that following rules and doing the right thing does not benefit you. While sites like ManHub only gets bigger and bigger by doing whatever they like. These type of tube sites have grown massive on stolen content and dodgy practices. They hide behind DMCA. I’ve never once had a DMCA notice on a tube site so why do they get so many? What conclusion can you draw from that? The more DMCA notices, the bigger and more successful a tube site.
Just do a search for anything gay porn related on Google and you’ll face page after page of Manhub results. Eventually it will be Manhub and their ilk controlling all the traffic. Then sponsors will have to negotiate with them to get any sales at all, at rates set by them.
By the way I got listed once on Google DMCA even if I removed the content. The incident I had was some idiot submitting a little screenshot with their site listing that they didn’t own the right to use. A small picture! And here’s Manhub serving up 1000s of hours of stolen videos through their own site and their affiliates and they only get 1 notice. It’s just laughable.
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[QUOTE=gaydemon;126833]It’s of course great news that they remove your content but they haven’t been hurt by this. These guys have used a lot of stolen content for a very long time and only had 1 single DMCA complaint on Google… It’s just going in circles: stolen content gets uploaded, DMCA notice to Manhub, content removed… and around it goes. Who does that benefit?
And yes, that’s right, [SIZE=7]1[/SIZE] complaint… Where are all the other incidents?[/QUOTE]
Sorry Bjorn but this deserves a:
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I am doing this now every morning. At the moment we are limited to 1000 urls per day, which hardly gets us through the URLs for even one client for the day. I have emailed google a few times asking them to give us greater access to their systems, and we’ll see what happens. But you’ll see that we are showing up more now on that link you sent. I will do this every morning hoping that Google sees we really need their automated tool to make this practical.
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That’s excellent, I really think it will make a huge difference and put people off using stolen content. It will also gives pirates a bit more than just a slap on the wrist, enough of those to a site and they can forget about Google traffic.
And yes, that page already is looking much better!
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Bjorn, we finally got our Google approval, so now we can move into high gear (up to 10,000 URLs a day).
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Wow, that’s great news. Now this is really going to make a difference and this is going to affect rankings.
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That is good news, now lets see them fall off the top of the charts. WooHoo 
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So how does this work? You have to submit a URL to the offending material?