EGPA 2008 Web Awards winners announced !!!

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#41

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[QUOTE=Andyr;26021] And don’t visit xstr8guy’s sites he’s a muppet … Just playing xstr8guy :wink: … honestly, better luck next time mate,

Thank you for your support in our new event, I hope you will submit (oooh suits you sir) your site again in our next and hopefully more professional web awards, after all this good advice we are receiving from gaydemon.biz :)[/QUOTE]

Another lie! I am not now nor have I ever been a muppet!

And we did actually support your event a bit by putting some voting links in our blog and member’s forum… so we better win NEXT year! :smiley:

#42

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[QUOTE=xstr8guy;26026]Another lie! I am not now nor have I ever been a muppet!

And we did actually support your event a bit by putting some voting links in our blog and member’s forum… so we better win NEXT year! :D[/QUOTE]

Fuck sake I am busting my ass off here to try and be “professional”… Your not helping matters! lol … It is good to see though that that likes of Muppet here sorry I mean xstr8guy :wink: … Is taking this all in good humor… As should everyone else really tbh…

Now fluck off xstr8guy and let my boss have his say :wink:

#43

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Jesus christ can’t anyone see what happened here for fuck sakes http://www.gaydemon.biz/showthread.php?t=4612 Holly and Hef broke up and if that is not news then I don’t know what is lol :slight_smile:

#44

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I think this has been a good thread.

And btw, Bjorn and Squirt… one of the lovely features of a Mercury retrograde is that communications gets all screwed up, and people are misunderstood, and people that don’t normally argue get into arguments with one another. So perhaps that’s part of it. Thank goodness it’s over on the 16th.

I do believe that transparency is ALWAYS important in something like an awards program. Yes, we take the legitimacy and accuracy of the Academy Awards for granted. But, as I said before, the gay side of the industry has had at least one, maybe more, major awards shows that are so blatantly rigged that practically everyone in the industry knows what the deal is – in spite of the spirited denials to the contrary (which is probably why those awards have lost so much of their prestige in the past couple years.) So people are skeptical.

I think it’s an excellent step that you’ve come forward with the vote totals and the voting process. I respect what you’re doing and wish you luck going forward!

#45

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[QUOTE=gaybucks_chip;26029]
I think it’s an excellent step that you’ve come forward with the vote totals and the voting process. I respect what you’re doing and wish you luck going forward![/QUOTE]

Thank you gaybucks_chip, As Marc has stated we hope to try and change all that, at least in the European sector, we have nothing to hide.(well apart from my old underwear that is)

It is a high expectation We know but with continued support, from webmasters and the community as a whole maybe one day we can…

The chances of me getting a Ferrari thought is pretty slim so maybe I should work the webcams part time instead… well … ok then, maybe that is not one of my better ideas, I am off to Tescos to get an app form brb :smiley:
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#46

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I must say I am a little disappointed with EGPA at this point, I thought when I left the professionalism would go out the window and you guys would come crawling to me to come back, since that has not happened I will quit waiting for the phone call and sadly move on.

Seriously, Marc and Andy are good blokes and willing to explore any suggestions that anyone makes in order to improve the process. Their hearts are in the right place. Just give them a chance and work with them and you will find that EGPA is trying hard to overcome the bad impressions left by other awards shows in the past.

xstr8guy, I would have cast more votes for you but ran out of friends computers to use to register with, also got arrested at the local library for using their computers, they didn’t understand I was just trying to vote for you, of course the fact I was surfing your site at the time didn’t help my case. Will try again next year.

Andy, what can I say, your a wanker

#47

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[QUOTE=gaydemon;25955]You totally avoided all my previous questions.

What I am saying is, if you are awarding the best gay porn sites, then would it not make sense to actually have more of them nominated? Clearly relying on people to submit their own sites doesnt work.

If your nominations in the different categories clearly is such a misrepresentation of what sites actually are out there, should you not rethink how you select the sites? Let alone claim the winners to be “The best sites”.

Its no small claim with “Award for Best Gay Porn Sites”, but with what authority? You dont even seem to have a single corperate sponsor.

How do you have to backup your right to award the best gay porn sites?

[B]Why are you an authority on whats best in gay porn?

[/B]How many people voted?

How many people visit your pages?

How many people know about your award?

Where do you advertise the award?

All these things are important to think about BEFORE you start an award, you dont just put up a page and hope for the best! Its just too random.

What about a panel of judges that pick sites, maybe made up by people in the industry that others trust or respect.

(by the way, I wasnt talking about the forum when I said gaydemon. I’m surprised you dont know about my main site).[/QUOTE]

I think what is missing here Demon and What you pointed out in your above questions is simply put this way:
Yes who are they do i really care?
are they reputable to give an award?
and do my clients really give a rats ass??
An award is only as good as the people that sponsor such an award so i really wouldnt lose sleep on this one as far as gay demon your award is in the people that are here and are exchanging ideas. so if you believe you want an award the here it is The raunchpup award for excellence in a forum.
I know that must sound silly but is it any more silly than the EGPA, I dont think so.
just my pups 2 cents worth

#48

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Thus far everyone has focused on the Web Awards from EGPA, let us expand a little.
EGPA produces the European Gay Porn Awards, going into its 3rd year it’s focus has been on the DVD sector of the gay porn industry. They have successfully produced 2 awards shows, not a lot but a good start. These shows have been supported by the likes of HotHouse, Jetset, Belami, Eurocreme and the list goes on from the DVD side of things. This years show was attended by over 300 industry people. Next year in Amsterdam will be even larger.

They also produce the European Gay Porn Directory, distribution 30,000 copies worldwide. I might add that it sold out in the US this year so production may go up. If you are looking for exposure for your program, well here you go, a listing is free and advertising is reasonable.

I just wanted to point out that while EGPA is new they did not just start up a couple months ago and say, hey lets do a web awards show. The reason for the web awards was because EGPA, while I was with them caught some flack from a few website owners who pointed out that that there was a lot of excellent work being done in the online community and they should be included.

So here they are, they initiate a web awards to include the web program owner and now they are under fire for doing so.

Bottom line is you can not and will not please everyone, but Marc and company are trying very hard to do so. If you don’t want to participate, then don’t, if you have a constructive suggestion then make it, it will be gratefully received. If you have a question, just ask and it will get answered. But an outright attack on something you know nothing about is totally unwarranted, unfair and unprofessional. Just because something is new to you, does not mean it is new.

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[QUOTE=raunchpup;26046]I think what is missing here Demon and What you pointed out in your above questions is simply put this way:
Yes who are they do i really care?
are they reputable to give an award?
and do my clients really give a rats ass??
An award is only as good as the people that sponsor such an award so i really wouldnt lose sleep on this one as far as gay demon your award is in the people that are here and are exchanging ideas. so if you believe you want an award the here it is The raunchpup award for excellence in a forum.
I know that must sound silly but is it any more silly than the EGPA, I dont think so.
just my pups 2 cents worth[/QUOTE]

Damn… put your site forward my friend next year, I am sure I am maybe allowed one vote at least I will vote for you, Why? because you had the balls to speak your mind! that is why, Not very constructive granted but none the less :wink: …

One other thing you should really use a capital “I” when you refer to yourself because you are “special” after all :slight_smile:

#50

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[QUOTE=Andyr;26058]Damn… put your site forward my friend next year, I am sure I am maybe allowed one vote at least I will vote for you, Why? because you had the balls to speak your mind! that is why, Not very constructive granted but none the less :wink: …

One other thing you should really use a capital “I” when you refer to yourself because you are “special” after all :)[/QUOTE]

i guess i dont look to put anyone down and as far as my site i know its not worthy no lie i just know that thats the fact. as far as the lower case i being trained as a human canine slave in the uk i am not allowed to use the capital i when i am allowed to speak.
but i digress.
i do hope someday to have a site worthy of an award from whoever wishes to give it.
raunchpup

#51

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Barnkin:

Thank you for pointing out some facts there, You have spoilt it for some people though, I was expecting some bright spark to come along and do a little extra digging and stumble across this… I guess the bonus prize go’s to you then :wink:

Andy, what can I say, your a wanker

Practice makes perfect, I learnt all I know from your good self :wink:

#52

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[QUOTE=raunchpup;26060]i guess i dont look to put anyone down and as far as my site i know its not worthy no lie i just know that thats the fact. as far as the lower case i being trained as a human canine slave in the uk i am not allowed to use the capital i when i am allowed to speak.
but i digress.
i do hope someday to have a site worthy of an award from whoever wishes to give it.
raunchpup[/QUOTE]

No offense taken Sir. You are entitled to your opinion same as everyone else.

As far as using the capital “I” is concerned then yes, I can understand that perspective and lifestyle you choose to live.

You are more than welcome to nominate your own site for an award when we open voting again, and if the public and your surfers like it and you win in your selected category then we will gladly send you an award, Or hopefully be able to present you with one in person at our main event next year.

#53

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While we won 2 awards, which I am very appreciative of, I can certainly understand Bjorn’s concerns. I think everyone in the industry is hungry for a non-biased, truly democratic and accurate awards system that reflects the full diversity of original websites that make our work so exciting for surfers. While we did take the time to nominate our sites for inclusion in the awards, I could tell by how few ‘competitors’ we had that it wasn’t actually much we won.

Why not think about, at least until you guys get a bit larger and more known within the industry, letting webmasters on forums such as this one help with nominating the sites? A lot of the time, us webmasters are just too damn busy to keep up with everything going on to nominate sites ourselves, but I think you’d get a lot more nominations and sites getting included next year if more of us webmasters were involved with not only nominating our own sites but each others.

I am very happy that it looks like you guys are open to suggestions, and I do think the EGPA guys have a great idea. Perhaps we can offer them more advice and help them to create the fair and non-biased awards program we’d all like to see. As Bjorn said, credibility is a very important factor with running an awards show and working closer with webmasters such as the ones on this forum will be a great way to both achieve that and grow the show.

All Best Wishes,
Daniel

#54

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maybe next time it would be a plus to announce the beginning of the nominations on the main boards at forums rather than just the winners. that would give webmasters a chance to take part in the process - nominate the sites they feel are the best and vote rather than being handed results they didn’t get a chance to be a part of.

#55

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[QUOTE=AlexManifestMan;25992] I know exactly how we got the award we received. We nominated our site and then asked our members and blog readers to vote for us. Simple as that.
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So, it’s a popularity contest.

#56

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I think they did actually.

My main problem is, that often in competitions or awards, you have to put up banners advertising the award site on your own site. Too me thats free advertising, and advertising space on gaydemon is very valuable. I can’t justify swapping out a large income stream with free advertising for another site.

So my choice is limited to relying on the audience of the award site and that the audience knows of my site. That in itself is no problem as long as the audience is large enough.

But for me to start thinking about participating in an award the site where the voting and nominations takes place got to be almost as large as my own site, if not larger.

Alas, it comes down to proving its size and stats, which I can understand many site owners are not comfortable doing.

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[QUOTE=dannyz;26075]While we won 2 awards, which I am very appreciative of, I can certainly understand Bjorn’s concerns. I think everyone in the industry is hungry for a non-biased, truly democratic and accurate awards system that reflects the full diversity of original websites that make our work so exciting for surfers. While we did take the time to nominate our sites for inclusion in the awards, I could tell by how few ‘competitors’ we had that it wasn’t actually much we won.

Why not think about, at least until you guys get a bit larger and more known within the industry, letting webmasters on forums such as this one help with nominating the sites? A lot of the time, us webmasters are just too damn busy to keep up with everything going on to nominate sites ourselves, but I think you’d get a lot more nominations and sites getting included next year if more of us webmasters were involved with not only nominating our own sites but each others.

I am very happy that it looks like you guys are open to suggestions, and I do think the EGPA guys have a great idea. Perhaps we can offer them more advice and help them to create the fair and non-biased awards program we’d all like to see. As Bjorn said, credibility is a very important factor with running an awards show and working closer with webmasters such as the ones on this forum will be a great way to both achieve that and grow the show.

All Best Wishes,
Daniel[/QUOTE]

Thank you for participating Daniel and congratulations :slight_smile:

As you all can see we are trying as best as we can to make this work, and provide webmasters with an awards that is as fair as we possibly can, As Marc said we were pleased with the results, considering it was the first one… It could have been far worse and at least people did participate in this.

Everyone here all knows how difficult it is to actually achieve user participation… And I think we did well even if I do say so myself.

Like Daniel has said more webmasters offering us help, advice and continued participation would be appreciated… I think we are all agreed on the fact that something ran this way is much needed… afterall it is you guys we are trying to provide this for.

All the studios, models / actors that have won our other European gay porn awards contest, appear to be very pleased with them and do hold them with a sense of accomplishment and pride… It is just a shame that all those people do not circulate around webmaster forums, not to my knowledge anyway…

I will not mention any names, but talking to them face to face at our awards events, they are all very positive, And it really is a great honor for me to meet all these fabulous famous people on a personal level that the majority of people can only dream of ever hoping to catch a glimpse of never mind shake their hands and have a conversation with… And what is more EGPA feels very humble and proud of the fact that all these people participate and travel 1000’s of miles to attend!

I am in no way being big headed, just relaying some facts, and as I stated I feel humble and honored by it.

In time I hope our web awards will achieve the same level of success, and the winners will have a sense of actually having won an award that they consider to be worth having, only time will tell.

Just in response to gaydemon, Placing our banners on any site advertising our web awards is not a requirement! … but if you want to make it known that you have put your site forward and want to get some votes for it then your surfers will need to know, a text link even would be sufficient, maybe not as effective but none the less, just a suggestion…

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if votes is all it takes, then the sites with the largest amount of surfers will always win, not the best sites. it would be more fair if all votes had to go from your page to each site and come back to vote. so any program with a pay per sale twink site will be able to send tons more traffic than a well-crafted niche revshare site.

when a friend asks me to vote for their band, i don’t check all the bands on the site they’re on - i just vote for my friend’s band and move on. so i don’t really have a clue which band is the best - i’m there to support my friend.

that doesn’t mean that all the sites that win aren’t good, but some will win only because they have more traffic and a place to put the “vote for us” link. which means they aren’t necessarily the best sites or even the best sites nominated. i guess that a contest like this is basically a traffic contest, and what it shows is what site has - and is willing to send - the most surfers to your site.

while i’d love to see an award given for merit rather than traffic, putting it together would be quite the challenge.

#59

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[QUOTE=basschick;26152]if votes is all it takes, then the sites with the largest amount of surfers will always win, not the best sites. it would be more fair if all votes had to go from your page to each site and come back to vote. so any program with a pay per sale twink site will be able to send tons more traffic than a well-crafted niche revshare site.

when a friend asks me to vote for their band, i don’t check all the bands on the site they’re on - i just vote for my friend’s band and move on. so i don’t really have a clue which band is the best - i’m there to support my friend.

that doesn’t mean that all the sites that win aren’t good, but some will win only because they have more traffic and a place to put the “vote for us” link. which means they aren’t necessarily the best sites or even the best sites nominated. i guess that a contest like this is basically a traffic contest, and what it shows is what site has - and is willing to send - the most surfers to your site.

while i’d love to see an award given for merit rather than traffic, putting it together would be quite the challenge.[/QUOTE]

Sorry let me explain : The “vote for us” banner / link maybe a little misleading in the respect that it takes you directly to a checkbox type survey as it were, where you can see all of the sites listed and vote for any site you wish to it does not have to be the site you clicked the link on… Click link on site “A” get taken to “VOTE” page vote for either site “A,B,C,D,E…” , But you can only vote once in each category the program makes sure of that… If you want to vote for more then you would have to go to your friends house use his computer and a different email address… and then go to another… etc… Not really worth the effort to get a few more votes… there is another possible way I thought of but, would take a shit load of hard work, and besides you would really have to know what the vote count was in the first place, because even if it did work it would ring alarm bells with me soon as I seen a high number of targeted votes and would investigate…

Nothing is 100% fool proof … But yes Basschick if I am reading you correctly then we are already doing what you suggested, so high traffic is not going to help your site, but a large loyal fan base just might… but even then they might seen another site on the list and think “hold on” that’s better than where I have been going lets vote for this one…

All submitted sites are checked first by myself, to make sure they are not spammy or have stolen content or the C stuff or viruses whatever…

Of course I am only human and it is possible I could miss something shrug But on the one occasion that I did this time round it was quickly pointed out to me by another webmaster…

It was nothing major anyway and the exact details are private between EGPA and the party’s involved, as you can appreciate.

Thanks for the input Basschick :slight_smile:

EDIT :

Just like to add that when I check the sites it matters not what they look like to me only the fact they are not doing anything they should not be doing within reason.

#60

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my friends’ bands links also take me to a page with all the listings on it. i find their band and vote. since i doubt there’s anything particularly unique about me in this respect, i expect that anyone who feels any personal or brand loyalty will vote for the person or site that sent them.