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That is something that we won’t agree on Gumdrop. It is much more than that, and has the potential for being quite dangerous. Irrespective of those who have a Pollyanna approach, or a some rose colored perspective of what the legal system might do, could do, or would do. Fact is today, Money is what talks, not what is right or wrong.
To each their own, but you can’t convince me that XXX is harmless, or just another extension. 
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Throughout the history of adult media there have been numerous attempts by the religious right and their friendly governments to destroy porn. This is not a fantasy.
Even in the 21st century we are seeing politicians like Bachmann and her cronies using anti-gay rhetoric and right-wing Christian values to gain points. You think these people don’t have support?
Whether we like to accept it or not, there are millions of people around the world who would gladly destroy our businesses under the guise of “protecting the children” and this threat is always there.
There is currently no anti-dog, anti-kids or anti-cat movement or sentiment in the Christian political arena, nor do I expect there to be.
Would we all be having this conversation if Lawley had introduced .gay?
Maybe we should all start to lobby for .christ? Then we could see if we can put them all into a little box, selectively block them, tax them, or even outlaw them all entirely when we elect a radical left wing government?
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.christ, sure go for it. .gay maybe around the corner.
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Honey, aren’t you waiting for an earthquake to hit that rock you live on…it’s potential is dangerous. :sarcastic:
[QUOTE=Gaystoryman;107139]That is something that we won’t agree on Gumdrop. It is much more than that, and has the potential for being quite dangerous. Irrespective of those who have a Pollyanna approach, or a some rose colored perspective of what the legal system might do, could do, or would do. Fact is today, Money is what talks, not what is right or wrong.
To each their own, but you can’t convince me that XXX is harmless, or just another extension. :)[/QUOTE]
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Nah, and besides, that is totally out of one’s control, it is Mother Nature, and if she goes on a rampage, so be it. Now XXX is far from that, and that potential is man made, which one can do something about. Like refusing to support those who support XXX. To post about it and inform the general public about its nasty potential, not to mention its rather prohibitive cost, in return for nothing.
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I gotta agree with gumdrop on this one… When you step back, take a deep breath and evaluate the situation rationally, .xxx is just another TLD. Mind you, it’s getting more discussion because it’s targeted at our industry. But honestly, if you can do business under a .com for $10/year or under .xxx for $100/year - which will you choose? If you’re big enough the extra $90 is trivial and if you can get a good, memorable .xxx domain, then go for it, but honestly I sorta just shrug when I hear discussion of .xxx - whatever…
I put zero weight in there ever being a requirement to use .xxx - despite what the originators may want, it just ain’t gonna happen. Sure there may be rabid conservatives around, but the logistics of requiring it are too complicated - It would be tied up in legal battles for a decade or more and in the end nothing would change. The only thing that may happen is wholesale banning of .xxx domains by certain organizational/governmental filters. That just makes the $100 price all that much more absurd - pay more, get less…
I’ve been busy with other stuff and sorta missed the launch. In the process someone bought rawtop.xxx. But honestly - what are they going to do with it? If they hold onto it, they’re paying $100/year - that’s not cheap. I’m sorta laughing about that one - they think they got something - but it’s just gonna burn a hole in their pocket (I have no intention of buying it off them for a premium). If they try to use it I can find out who they are - GoDaddy’s private registration policy excludes domains with adult content. And honestly, anything they might do with the domain they could have done with any number of other rawtop.tld domains at any point in the past. If they couldn’t be bothered to do it with a $10 domain, why would they bother with a $100 domain?
Bottom line - who cares - nothing’s really changed… It’s just the people behind .xxx got a lot of people to buy absurdly expensive domains.
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I put zero weight in there ever being a requirement to use .xxx - despite what the originators may want, it just ain’t gonna happen. Sure there may be rabid conservatives around, but the logistics of requiring it are too complicated - It would be tied up in legal battles for a decade or more and in the end nothing would change.
I think this statement is being presumptuous. None of us have a crystal ball or knows what could happen. As we all know there is an election coming up in the US. What do you think will happen if Newt Gingrich gets elected with a republican majority in the house? I am sure that certain right wing Christian groups would love nothing more then to put us porn Webmasters in a little box, where they can regulate and tax us to hell. .xxx sure made their job easier.
The only thing that may happen is wholesale banning of .xxx domains by certain organizational/governmental filters. That just makes the $100 price all that much more absurd - pay more, get less…
We agree on this point.
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At least that is one benefit that has been pointed out about Google Panda: Parked domains no longer appear in the search results mixed in with legitimate domains that have trust and backlinks.
The domain name industry has always been a racket, which is ok by me as long as participation in such racket is voluntary. In the long run, the speculative segments will wither since TLDs and keyword specific domains will become less and less relevant - like Blockbuster Video or Nokia cellular telephones.
Steve
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No offense intended, but it’s this kind of thinking that scares me!
A lot of things over the years have come to be law that no one thought would or could happen only to become a reality.
Again, the door has been installed, it’s only a matter of time and $$$ before the locks are installed unless people stand up and take notice of what the potential outcome “could be” down the road.
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Not true…
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[QUOTE=OldSchool;107159]No offense intended, but it’s this kind of thinking that scares me!
A lot of things over the years have come to be law that no one thought would or could happen only to become a reality.
Again, the door has been installed, it’s only a matter of time and $$$ before the locks are installed unless people stand up and take notice of what the potential outcome “could be” down the road.[/QUOTE]
For god’s sake, let’s get real… You seriously believe that all the governments in the world are going to unite and force porn sites that have been on the same .com for 10 or 15 years to move to a .xxx domain that’s owned by some cyber-squatter? We’re not talking about just the Republicans - what your talking about can’t be done by just one government - we’re talking about all the major governments in the world. Now think about the legal challenges worldwide. It’s never going to happen. Ever.
It also completely destroys the linking structure of the web. Billions of links will go bad. And if you need the old .com to do redirects - well, then you still have the old .com in play… And if it’s in play, why not just use the .com?
Seriously people - nothing of much consequence is going to happen. Let’s move on with real business and making money.
Ironically all of you are feeding into the frenzy which is, in turn, selling more .xxx domains. Yawn, turn around, and ignore it and maybe it will die a slow lonely death…
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[QUOTE=rawTOP;107174]For god’s sake, let’s get real… You seriously believe that all the governments in the world are going to unite and force porn sites that have been on the same .com for 10 or 15 years to move to a .xxx domain that’s owned by some cyber-squatter? We’re not talking about just the Republicans - what your talking about can’t be done by just one government - we’re talking about all the major governments in the world. Now think about the legal challenges worldwide. It’s never going to happen. Ever.
It also completely destroys the linking structure of the web. Billions of links will go bad. And if you need the old .com to do redirects - well, then you still have the old .com in play… And if it’s in play, why not just use the .com?
Seriously people - nothing of much consequence is going to happen. Let’s move on with real business and making money.
Ironically all of you are feeding into the frenzy which is, in turn, selling more .xxx domains. Yawn, turn around, and ignore it and maybe it will die a slow lonely death…[/QUOTE]
If you had bothered to read one of my previous posts, you would know that I stated originally that it would be a “huge undertaking”… next time you decide to rip into me, I would appreciate some lube!
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So follow your own logic… If it’s “a huge undertaking” it’s going to need broad support not just in the US, but worldwide. What’s the likelihood of that support? Pretty much zero. If it’s not in the realm of reasonably possible alternatives, then why discuss it?
This sorta discussion is one of the core problems with the US right now. The Republicans reiterate people’s fears over and over and over until people start believing that what they fear is just around the corner. Whether it’s “gays will destroy marriage” or “all billionaires are job creators” - they’ve managed to capitalize on “truthiness”. We need to find, expose and reject that type of thinking. It’s seriously dangerous because it elevates things that aren’t true or reasonable to the level of fact. If you want something to fear - fear truthiness.
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And Republicans, and further more our Conservatives here North of the 49th parallel use this shit to distract the numb minded populous from the real issues.
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[QUOTE=rawTOP;107174]
Seriously people - nothing of much consequence is going to happen. Let’s move on with real business and making money.
Ironically all of you are feeding into the frenzy which is, in turn, selling more .xxx domains. Yawn, turn around, and ignore it and maybe it will die a slow lonely death…[/QUOTE]
I am against .xxx. That is a given. I have to agree with Rawtop on this one.
However, based on some of the press releases that I am seeing, some in this biz are using .xxx as a way to make money indirectly by appearing to be joining forces with much larger companies that are actually doing something about it rather than just talking about it.
Wait a minute, someone just grabbed a .net version of my domain name and blackmailed me. Time to make a press release. Anyone know of a big company that is suing .net that I can mention in my press release as well?
And my corporate attorney… Let’s just ignore him.
Blah. Way too much talk. No action.
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Way too much talk. No action.
I can say that I do know some of us are working on ‘action’ behind the scenes, but of course it takes time. I’m sure there will be more going on after the holidays (from both sides). But I do see your guys’ point, in some ways all these threads are just helping .xxx gain more publicity. That’s why I’m personally focusing what little time I have to devote on this issue to the ‘action’ and not the ‘talk’ (as are a couple of other people on here).
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Yes, if you don’t like what .XXX is doing, or further more ICANN. Join in the “action” rather then yap about. No matter how you look at it .XXX has jumped through ICANN’s “hoops” and passed. For further viewing of the decision, here is the Draft Rational:
http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/draft-icm-rationale-18mar11-en.pdf
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[QUOTE=rawTOP;107181]So follow your own logic… If it’s “a huge undertaking” it’s going to need broad support not just in the US, but worldwide. What’s the likelihood of that support? Pretty much zero. If it’s not in the realm of reasonably possible alternatives, then why discuss it?
This sorta discussion is one of the core problems with the US right now. The Republicans reiterate people’s fears over and over and over until people start believing that what they fear is just around the corner. Whether it’s “gays will destroy marriage” or “all billionaires are job creators” - they’ve managed to capitalize on “truthiness”. We need to find, expose and reject that type of thinking. It’s seriously dangerous because it elevates things that aren’t true or reasonable to the level of fact. If you want something to fear - fear truthiness.[/QUOTE]
You nailed it.
I might add the one thing that we have to fear is fear itself. FDR said that. It was true then and it is true now.
All we need to do is look back at previous threads. Sometimes way back. First it was COPA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Online_Protection_Act
While everyone was scared that their whole business was going to collapse by focusing on that, they failed to realize that the biggest processor at the time DMR was going bankrupt. Look at COPA now. Who even knows what it is? Go back and look at 2257 and all the fear that brought. After all these years we haven’t even gotten to the point of a lawsuit brought by a company for 2257 violations. That, if and when it ever happens, will tie up the legal system for years. Look at how many feared 2257 and took down any content subject to 2257. Blah.
I don’t like .xxx one damn bit, but I am focusing my energy on things that matter to me now and that I have control over. Social media (facebook etc) is a bigger threat than .xxx will ever be.
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However, based on some of the press releases that I am seeing, some in this biz are using .xxx as a way to make money indirectly by appearing to be joining forces with much larger companies that are actually doing something about it rather than just talking about it.
Lloyd
I just wanted to respond to this part of your post. I’m not sure if you are referring to us, but if you are, I’d like to clear the air. First of all, I don’t know where you think we would be making money by ‘joining forces with much larger companies.’ We haven’t ‘joined forces’ with anyone, nor have we made any money directly or indirectly from our press release, and what you suggest was certainly NOT our intent.
Secondly, we have been taking action. We have emailed a list of problems along with proposed solutions to the IFFOR. I am told by Chad that the IFFOR is considering my resolutions and will be having a meeting where they will talk about them early next year.
Also, due (at least in part) to our press release about cybersquatting, and to their credit, .xxx has made some changes that actually do help domain owners protect their brand with domain seizures. That is somewhere that we have directly contributed to a change being made.
http://domainincite.com/icm-opens-can-of-worms-with-xxx-domain-seizures/#comment-9274
Thirdly, we are working on another project now that will educate surfers about the dangers of .xxx, and why they should care about it.
I think that’s plenty of action to go along with my words.
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And by the way, it seems like it’s mostly just you and Rawtop that keep bumping these threads 