What is the future for vintage porn?

Re: What is the future for vintage porn?

[QUOTE=LavenderLounge;128722]Now that I saw the actual link to the site in question, I understand the concerns. I withdraw my support.

One of the first things I saw on that site was a section of naked guys at Burning Man. That was a red flag for me because they are very strict about privacy of participants. Their photo policy says, “Don’t be that guy” that takes pics of every naked person and distributes them.

http://www.burningman.com/press/photo_guide.html[/QUOTE]

i wonder how many of those photos are in the photo packs that are given out to affiliates on this “vintage” content.

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[QUOTE=RateTheseGuys Wayne;128702]I’m not sure what the continued repetition of the same accusations are meant to achieve.

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I full respect that some of you totally disagree with doing this, and I also respect your right to have your opinion and voice it.

Not really sure what else there is to say on it. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but, are you stupid or just ignorant?

You come on a message board that is filled with site owners and affiliates who keep fighting piracy to some extent on daily basis with a site full of STOLEN content and say; Yeah it was on boards and I thought I should make a site and charge for it. What is wrong with that?

I just want to slap you.

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[QUOTE=RateTheseGuys Wayne;128702]I’m not sure what the continued repetition of the same accusations are meant to achieve.
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For me it was quite simple. It was meant to get you to finally post that this site and possibly your other site - hackedjocks was using content that you don’t have a right to use. Not only do you not have a right to use, but you are giving the content to affiliates to market your site. If one of your affiliates uses that content are you going to defend them in a lawsuit?

Look. You claim that you produce your own content. I would like to think that you would want others to respect your copyright. Why don’t you respect others? It makes no sense to me whatsoever. Just because an image is on tumblr or allcandid.net or a newsgroup does not mean you have the right to scape it and use it in a paysite.

This industry is facing many challenges, one of them being theft. On one hand many say the best thing is a PSA to consumers that it is not okay to steal porn. Consider this my own PSA to a webmaster that it is not okay to steal content and create a paysite with it. Seriously. What you are doing is one of the main issues this industry faces; stealing.

I get how you operate. You are good at PR. You announce your new sites in the announcement forum and since you are not a sponsor of the board you create catchy titles in the main forum to get people to know about your new site with content that you don’t even own. Webmasters like Mark write a mini book about the subject not even know what your site is all about as do other webmasters.

As I said it is sad that this business model is stooping to such low levels. It’s a damn shame really. You are part of the problem this industry is facing and not part of the solution. Sad. Why a board like this even give you a voice to market your crap is beyond me. If I managed this board I would ban any links to your program and sites since you have openly admitted that you use content that you don’t own. Post all you want, but have the links to your program and site come up blank.

Re: What is the future for vintage porn?

I have to say this hate is getting kinda ridiculous. We’ve got pornosleuth misquoting me, by removing important paragraphs and adding ‘blablabla’ in the quote (therefore changing completely what I was expressing), and also insulting me personally. We’ve got abostonboy trolling every post or reply I put on this site, and denouncing me as the cause of all the problems in the porn industry. We’ve also got a lot of confusion in the multitude of accusations coming my way.

So perhaps it’s time for a reality check.

First an overview of what we do. If, like some suspicious people, you think I’m just promoting my sites please skip to the part headed ‘The collection sites’!! I just want to be transparent and take the time to explain everything.

We run four porn pay sites, with their own affiliate programs accessed through CrownAffiliates.com . Two of our four sites, RateTheseGuys.com and TheHardOrder.com, we hire models and locations and shoot and edit 100% of the content for. The other two we collect and archive public domain images we have found over the years. Our business model for the future is to get to a point where can invest and produce all our own content, but it takes time.

The collection sites.

So all the problems, accusations of immorality and theft from some people are centered around our two collection sites (I’ll assume they are otherwise happy with the 100% exclusive RateTheseGuys.com and TheHardOrder.com). So let me explain our thought process behind those sites. They will now be referred to as the collection sites.

The images used on both the collection sites are sourced from countless other message boards, forums and groups (this is all pretty obvious) and are considered public domain by us. This means that we believe the photographers of the images are either unknown, or have shared their images freely on the net which have then gone viral. If a photographer of an image contacts us and says ‘This is mine, take it off your site’, we will do so immediately.

The truth is these images are widespread and available freely with the simplest of surfing. All that we’ve done is taken the time to collect them in a certain niche, put them on a safe and stable website with photoshopping, webdesign and editorial, and charge a fee for our time to do that.

Most tube sites, which allow full length and full quality videos to be taken from pay sites and uploaded in order to build it’s own traffic and monetize that traffic, effectively steals from other porn sites. We don’t, and will never, use any content produced by another webmaster.

Now let’s tackle the hypocrisy. I don’t want to mention pay sites or affiliates by name as that would be unfair, but there are plenty others on this board who promote long standing sites which are also collections of images where the people in the images haven’t given permission. It’s actually funny when abostonboy says I should be banned. If he has such an issue with it, he should stand by his morals, research everyone else and actually boycott this board.

I totally understand why those of you who do make money promoting collection sites didn’t want to step forward and say so in the face of abostonboy, pornosleuth and conran’s foaming-at-the-mouth disagreement with those actions, why be a hero and step into a shitstorm right? I get it. But it’s still important for this point to be made, that plenty others (and some big players too) on this board promote similar collection sites right now.

I totally respect everyone’s right to have their own business model and rules. But let’s not pour hate on me, while keeping the blinkers on to what the rest are doing. And let’s put it all in perspective, those of you who don’t agree with promoting amateur collection sites… just don’t promote them, simples.

And one last request, please be courteous and respectful of all people whether you agree with their opinions or not.

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[QUOTE=RateTheseGuys Wayne;128774]The images used on both the collection sites are sourced from countless other message boards, forums and groups (this is all pretty obvious) and are considered public domain by us. This means that we believe the photographers of the images are either unknown, or have shared their images freely on the net which have then gone viral. If a photographer of an image contacts us and says ‘This is mine, take it off your site’, we will do so immediately.

The truth is these images are widespread and available freely with the simplest of surfing. All that we’ve done is taken the time to collect them in a certain niche, put them on a safe and stable website with photoshopping, webdesign and editorial, and charge a fee for our time to do that.

And one last request, please be courteous and respectful of all people whether you agree with their opinions or not.[/QUOTE]

There are so many issues with what you just said, it’s not funny.

For starters what you just said you do is illegal. You’re not allowed to put up a pornographic picture of someone without proof of age - even if the person is clearly 70 years old. It goes beyond copyright and public domain - there are different rules for porn. There are very few exceptions to this rule. Affiliates are relying on being able to get the documentation from their sponsors. Tube sites make uploaders promise that they have the documentation. Hookup sites are legally exempt. AFAIK, you don’t fall under any legal exemption.

So given all that, don’t be surprised if you get called out by sponsors who are playing by the rules. They have to BUY their content and don’t like competing with people who don’t pay for their content. Simply put their playing by the rules means they don’t have to be “courteous and respectful” of people like you who don’t play by the rules.

The pushback will not end. Your best strategy is to just shut up about your illegal activities. Sponsors don’t want to hear about it, and affiliates don’t want a sponsor who can’t produce documents when there’s a legal challenge.

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In common usage, theft is the taking of another person’s property without that person’s permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it!

P.S. I can be respectful only to those that deserve respect. So far you’ve come out as a wanker.

P.P.S. Also people CAN read your whole post, there is no reason for me to quote the whole yack you just posted. The only reason I used the quotes is so that everyone knows who I am replying to.

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I only have one word for this activity and it’s “poaching”.
poach•ing

Pronunciation: (pō’ching), [key]
—n.

  1. the illegal practice of trespassing on another’s property to hunt or steal game without the landowner’s permission.
    2. any encroachment on another’s property, rights, ideas, or the like.

Read more: poaching: meaning and definitions — Infoplease.com http://dictionary.infoplease.com/poaching#ixzz2KVamiyKg

Re: What is the future for vintage porn?

[QUOTE=RateTheseGuys Wayne;128774]I have to say this hate is getting kinda ridiculous. We’ve got pornosleuth misquoting me, by removing important paragraphs and adding ‘blablabla’ in the quote (therefore changing completely what I was expressing), and also insulting me personally. We’ve got abostonboy trolling every post or reply I put on this site, and denouncing me as the cause of all the problems in the porn industry. We’ve also got a lot of confusion in the multitude of accusations coming my way.

So perhaps it’s time for a reality check.

First an overview of what we do. If, like some suspicious people, you think I’m just promoting my sites please skip to the part headed ‘The collection sites’!! I just want to be transparent and take the time to explain everything.

We run four porn pay sites, with their own affiliate programs accessed through CrownAffiliates.com . Two of our four sites, RateTheseGuys.com and TheHardOrder.com, we hire models and locations and shoot and edit 100% of the content for. The other two we collect and archive public domain images we have found over the years. [/QUOTE]

I stopped reading here. Just because an image is on a newsgroup or tumblr or whatever does not mean it is in the public domain. Period. In fact many of the images on your tour are clearly not in the public domain as well as many images you are giving your affiliates to market your sites.

Wayne. I really don’t think your going to get a lot of support for what you are doing on this message board, but I could be wrong.