Again trying to submit and get sites listed with straight link lists and directories.
They are an absolute nightmare. Not only do they have very strict (and somewhat odd) rules they also in most cases want you to use different reciprocal link buttons or texts depending on what type of content you have on your site (the HTML they provide is also old and broken).
All in all, they make it totally impossible to even try and submit to them. How they have survived this long is beyond me. They just make it so extremly difficult for submitters.
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Its at least 2 years since I tried again with them and I gave up back then yet again ! Its almost as if they make it impossible and or do not want you to submit !
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its not only the rules, but just how you are allowed to only submit 1 site per day, 7 a week is fine… but going back to the same site 7 times in a week??
Or having to use specific reciprocal links depending on the content you have on the site?
BUT
When I look at some sites listed on these link lists, they certainly dont seem to follow all the rules. So not sure how much of it is enforced.
Well I’m going to try, I really really want to find out and compare the amount of traffic they have to give. I’ll publish it here.
(2)When I look at some sites listed on these link lists, they certainly dont seem to follow all the rules. So not sure how much of it is enforced.
(3)…compare the amount of traffic they have to give. I’ll publish it here.[/QUOTE]
I’m not sure I understand what you mean by (1) - “going back to the same site”? You mean in the submission process? Or the building process?
As for (2) - you got any examples? There are usually reasons for sites deviating from the rules - and that reason is usually “friend of the owner”, or “owners site” hahaha.
For a new subber - they are going to be more strict, rather than less, and some of them are really entirely tyrannical about it.
(3) sounds like an interesting project and measurement.
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It is very different from the gay LL’s. I started with the straight LL’s, so for me it’s the reverse - I find it a problem to submit to the gay LL’s that require 40+ pictures per FS.
Essentially, it’s just a different format. Once you have it down, it’s easy as pie. What I ended up doing is find the gay LL’s that will take my 24 pics FS and work along the more restrictive rules of the straight LL’s. I think the compromise works for me. That way, I can get Gaydemon and Penisbot traffic for the same FS
I think it does give me an advantage. You see, the straight LL’s usually have gay categories, but aren’t getting nearly enough submissions for them. Some of them are getting good traffic there, like LOR and Penisbot, and with fewer submitters, I think it’s well worth the effort.
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Does Penisbot accept free sites made from sponsor content? They used to list some of my freesites in 2004 and 2005, but then stopped. Since i haven’t changed anything I suppose the only reason could be that they deemed my sponsor content overexposed.
But in general, I have to agree with most people here - straight LLs are a real nightmare. Even those that send you almost no traffic at all will be very anal about their rules. I just can’t submit to them anymore, it would drive me insane. I might try penisbot again, though. The traffic was really awesome and converted very well.
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I mean the submission process, it would just have been easier to say submit 5 sites in one go, rather than going back Mon-Fri, submitting 1 site at a time. Its a waste of time having to go back each day.
There was a few I saw yeasterday, I guess they follow the rules but certainly strecthing them. Most them dont have small links below banners, instead they have HUGE text around, above and below a banner, it counts as 1 link, but I would count it as 3.
The main issue as i see it, i looked through 20 sites just now and there was only 3 or 4 different sponsors. The content is all the same.
It will be, I just really want to see how much traffic there is. The gay link lists I’m tracking is already showing some data. Unfortunatley nothing impressive except from gaydemon, manpics2000 and hunkhunter.
[quote=Bill;26079]I’m not sure I understand what you mean by (1) - “going back to the same site”? You mean in the submission process? Or the building process?
As for (2) - you got any examples? There are usually reasons for sites deviating from the rules - and that reason is usually “friend of the owner”, or “owners site” hahaha.
For a new subber - they are going to be more strict, rather than less, and some of them are really entirely tyrannical about it.
(3) sounds like an interesting project and measurement.[/quote]
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The thing is, I started to create these sites so that I would have better quality sites with better content for my surfers on gaydemon.
I have a lot of free and avs traffic that I give out to submitters but the submitters in many cases have really bad sites.
So rather than having surfers getting pissed off and giving up on free sites, I provide them with better sites. I’ve tried everything to get the quality of the sites up I list, but people dont listen, they dont follow rules and they dont bother to try and make better sites.
So in my little twisted world I thougth I might be doing link lists a bit of a favor providing them with fresh blood to stay a live longer and have happier surfers. While of course making sales.
Granted I’m making this on a template basis, but I think its pretty good templates compared to most submissions I get on gaydemon. Everything I do is on a large scale, there is no point doing 1 site now and then, its got to be done proplery, larger amounts and be efficient. Thats how I do business and thats how I build free sites as well.
Oh and this is actually the first time I’m doing free sites. Never done it before, only ever been on the other side as a link site owner. So its quite fun seeing it from a submitters view point.
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It isn’t just the straight sites. I’ve been looking for places to put up a few galleries and many of the gay TGPs have the same issues. Broken submit forms, specific reciprocals (some with code so old that it doesn’t work), and script bots that don’t know how to count.
Some of the issues could be that I’m doing something wrong but like you, when I visit some of the galleries/sites listed they have far fewer than the required and no links back at all.
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yes, I’m about to give up. I’ve come up against a few obstacles I cant get though easily.
Not allowed to use XHTML
Recip tables using incorrect and broken HTML
Not allowed to use Google Analytics.
To work around those things, would go against what I do. I just dont do sloppy broken and outdated code or loose the ability to know what my surfers do and how they behave.
I’m sure the link lists have really good reasons, but to me personally its too much. But I do know how bad submitters can be.
So as it is, I give up. I rather not be blacklisted.
I just wish I had some sort of an idea what amount of traffic you might get on gay sites on straight link lists.
[quote=Paul;26136]It isn’t just the straight sites. I’ve been looking for places to put up a few galleries and many of the gay TGPs have the same issues. Broken submit forms, specific reciprocals (some with code so old that it doesn’t work), and script bots that don’t know how to count.
Some of the issues could be that I’m doing something wrong but like you, when I visit some of the galleries/sites listed they have far fewer than the required and no links back at all.[/quote]
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i don’t find them strange. they’re to keep out the cheaters. scripts are often used so that the pages can be changed, exploits can be added or the entire thing can redirect either all or part of the time.
the thing is that to someone who’s never been a submitter, the rules seem very strange and different. to me, they just seem like normal rules. i used to run a tgp and tried to have less rules. that stopped when i allowed things like flash or scripts and those galleries ended up doing bad things to my surfers
[quote=gaydemon_jr;26141]Those are really strange rules!
I imagine straight sites might give a bit of traffic out of curious guys tempted to check out the gay porn section.
Shame the rules are too unworkable to find out.[/quote]
