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Yeah … “I’ll bend over so you can fuck me, don’t care how big your cock is or whether you use a condom or lube, just as long as you pay me.”
Maybe we can get a list of these sponsors with licencing deals so we can decide whether we’d like to continue to be in bed with them.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=DominicFord;132799]We checked with our clients and almost all of them have licensing agreements with Manhub. So what you think is pirated content is often times actually NOT pirated content.
In my opinion, this is a huge problem, because these licensing deals blur the line so no one knows if content is licensed or not, and once there is legit content on a tube site, it’s fair to say that consumers don’t know anymore if content is legit or pirated. I don’t like that this line is being blurred.
But the fact remains that most of the content we found was legitimate and not pirated. Crazy, I know.[/QUOTE]
I already suspected this was happening and therefore I don’t really care what other (illegal) sites Manwin is running. Men.com sells well for me, so I’ll promote them. I am not selling links to illegal tube sites and I won’t list pirated content or links to pirated content on my affiliate sites, but that’s where I draw the line. Anything else is out of my control. It’s almost impossible to boycott companies who are directly or indirectly supporting piracy. Piracy is part of the industry - both as affiliates and as content providers. I may not like it, but I am certainly not going to change a thing about it. Not as long as laws are allowing piracy.
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This is not about licence agreements this is about an anti-piracy service (porn guardian) having both the pirates and the copyright holders as clients, that’s conflict of interest and unethical.
Is it a coincident that Manhub goes from pirate to innocent after paying Porn Guardian lots of money? And why did all those DMCA requests for Manhub never reach Google?
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[QUOTE=gaydemon;132820]This is not about licence agreements this is about an anti-piracy service (porn guardian) having both the pirates and the copyright holders as clients, that’s conflict of interest and unethical.
Is it a coincident that Manhub goes from pirate to innocent after paying Porn Guardian lots of money? And why did all those DMCA requests for Manhub never reach Google?[/QUOTE]
I do agree. It is a conflict of interest.But it again shows how intertwined illegal tube sites are (whether or not they bought themselves in).
Tubes are a threat to content owners, but also (maybe even more) to affiliates like you and me and while content owners can do something against it to a certain extend, we cannot.
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“And why did all those DMCA requests for Manhub never reach Google?”
Gee I wonder. Scumbags.
[QUOTE=“gaydemon;132820”]
This is not about licence agreements this is about an anti-piracy service (porn guardian) having both the pirates and the copyright holders as clients, that’s conflict of interest and unethical.
Is it a coincident that Manhub goes from pirate to innocent after paying Porn Guardian lots of money? And why did all those DMCA requests for Manhub never reach Google?[/QUOTE]
Be careful what you accuse people of please. Dominic is a very honest and kind businessman.
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I agree to some extent.
Where do we draw a line, do we stop using certain hosting companies who host pirated content? I know my host WebZilla is listed on PornGuardian as one of the hosts that they commonly come across, but i use them as they have good uplinks to the UK.
But on the other hand, Google is also on that list, no one will boycott them… so its hard to see the line, if there even is one!
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I agree, i have always had great respect for the work that Dominic does, and i have never had a reason not to trust what he says before, so i think we should hear him out, before we mudsling 
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What accusation?
I’m asking Dominic if it’s a coincident that Manhub suddenly is clear of piracy when they start to pay him money through BangBros (the owners).
Don’t you think there is a conflict of interest when a Anti-Piracy company gets paid by the same tube site that’s been found hosting and making money on stolen videos?
I’ve always been a strong supporter of Porn Guardian and Dominic but this is very disappointing. I can’t see any explanation that’s satisfactory.
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I thought we established a few days ago there was no actual evidence that BangBros was taken to Manwin/Manhub as part of a deal? Maybe I am mistaken.
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ManWin has nothing to do with this, your confusing it with something else. Manhub is owned by BangBros / Haze Cash. And ManHub through BangBros is now paying clients of Porn Guardian.
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Yes, quite right, I just read back in the thread
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You know it’s all a “shell” game. Very well orchestrated by the way.
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One of the lawyers that was on a panel at Phoenix Forum said he sometimes gets clients coming to him whose sites aren’t all that clean (to put it politely). He tells them that to work with him the first thing they need to do is get in touch with Porn Guardian and have them review the sites and then take action on Porn Guardian’s suggestions. So I think things like that are how Porn Guardian starts working with pirates. The end result is a tube site that’s at least “technically” legal. My gut tells me that that process is a good thing, not a bad thing. Though it may mean that Porn Guardian teaches the tube sites how to engage in legal piracy.
In the end Porn Guardian is doing good and the tube sites are doing less bad. Is the scenario ideal? No. But it’s not as bad as it could be.
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This is not a need to “nurture” …these are big boys…with big boy pants.
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Give me a fucking break. We’re not talking about some blogger in Argentina who’s running a web property with copyrighted content and didn’t know he was doing anything wrong and we’re educating him. ManHub is a tube site that belongs to a company that has been in this business for a long while. They know damned well what is legal and not legal.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=rawTOP;132853]One of the lawyers that was on a panel at Phoenix Forum said he sometimes gets clients coming to him whose sites aren’t all that clean (to put it politely). He tells them that to work with him the first thing they need to do is get in touch with Porn Guardian and have them review the sites and then take action on Porn Guardian’s suggestions. So I think things like that are how Porn Guardian starts working with pirates. The end result is a tube site that’s at least “technically” legal. My gut tells me that that process is a good thing, not a bad thing. Though it may mean that Porn Guardian teaches the tube sites how to engage in legal piracy.
In the end Porn Guardian is doing good and the tube sites are doing less bad. Is the scenario ideal? No. But it’s not as bad as it could be.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious?
ManHub is well aware of what they are doing and have grown large by using stolen content. Saying that they need advice on how to run a legal tube site is just silly. And its not Manhub thats ask Porn Guardian for help.
Dominic changes his mind and now says that ManHub mainly have licensed content on their site and was not a bad as people think. No stolen content found after all it seems.
Porn Guardian never got around to submitting any DMCA notices to Google for Manhub on behalf of their clients but seems to have submitted against other tube sites. Why did they skip Manhub?
These things coincides with taking on BangBros and Haze Cash who own ManHub as paying clients. Ironically Haze Cash have published all their content for free on tube sites and on affiliate sites… Guarding their content is not possible as itÅ freely available all over the net and approved by them.
I would love to be proved wrong about this coincident and maybe Dominic have a good explanation. Maybe he can reassure his clients that there is no conflict of interest when representing both the pirates and the studios. Personally I dont believe you can work for both without having a conflict.
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PG is not “pro bono” company, they making money, as everyone else here. And I bet they can make a lot more with Manhub
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I would rather see Dominic Ford improve ratios and their silly signup form (did anyone see that?!, seriously, on some browsers it becomes a piece of mess) than hunt around illegal porn… just saying… 