“Can you give a few thoughts to struggling webmasters and consider using paypal.
Also any plans to fix baretwinks landing page as for boycrush?”
Two attempts still waiting for an answer.
My main issue is the situation with baretwinks- the landing page as per- http://join.baretwinks.com/track/MTE1NjY3NTIuMi4yLjIuMC4wLjAuMC4w
is seriously out of date and could lead surfers to think baretwinks was defunct- however, new stuff is being sent to me all the time as per-
“Baretwinks Updates” 25-6-14-
"Max Andrews & Elijah Young’ and so on- ALL NEW MATERIAL SHOULD BE REFLECTED ON THE LANDING PAGE.
I know that the boycrush landing page was fixed last year and that some kind of dispute was going on.
What kind of service is this supposed to be?
Stunner media should put a warning on boycrushcash to alert webmasters to the fact that the baretwinks page is defunct.
The second issue is the lack of response and also the failure to include paypal as an option.
Helixcash-
I have similar issues when it comes to getting responses to what seem to me to be pretty reasonable requests or issues raised such as-
Three attempts at this one-
To- [email protected]-
I have tried to submit a support question on helixcash twice and both times nothing happens when the send request button is clicked.
I have also sent the following email to [email protected] and [email protected]-
“When can I expect a paypal transfer? And your support system on helixcash is not working.”
So far no response.
And how would you interpret the following Statistics report May 28, 2014 - June 4, 2014-
JOIN HITS- 304 JOIN SUBMITS- 13
NO INCOME
When I first tried to get some feedback from helixcash I was told that join submits are the same as join hits! Obviouslt a load of you know what! It took some effort to even get this response.
Anyway overall helixcash has been good but this issue of lack of timely response and failure to give sensible answers to what is a pretty fundamental question is a worry.
We have one contact address for BoyCrushCash and it is listed on that page.
To address your issues (in public):
“Stunner media should put a warning on boycrushcash to alert webmasters to the fact that the baretwinks page is defunct.”
It is not our policy to do that for sites that are alive and well, making good sales and updating We do have a new tour coming out soon, but in the end stats decide what tour is displayed. We split test and let the sales decide.
However, with the current tour we can have the scenes sorted by date rather than popularity really easily for your account. If you want that, simply email the address you see on the contact page.
“The second issue is the lack of response”
contact the address on the contact page and you will get a response every time.
“the failure to include paypal as an option”
We offer free wire transfers, free paxum payments, and we’ve been known to offer other options for affiliates that work closely with us. Paypal is not something we currently offer and unless they change their TOS, we will stick to our policy.
If there’s anything else you’d like to discuss, please use the proper channel
Re: Lack of Response from affiliate program people- boycrushcash and helixcash
I got a reply from the email address for lloyd- why wouldn’t I then think i could reply to that and ask the questions given above?
“However, with the current tour we can have the scenes sorted by date rather than popularity really easily for your account. If you want that, simply email the address you see on the contact page”
so you are saying that the scenes currently on the baretwinks landing page are sorted by popularity- that means that nothing produced after about 2012 is popular then. I DOUBT THAT.
“If there’s anything else you’d like to discuss, please use the proper channel”
What is the purpose of this blog then?
Obviously run by stunner media for the benefit of yourselves.
Re: Lack of Response from affiliate program people- boycrushcash and helixcash
^ This guy. lol.
I offered him advance materials of some stuff I have coming out (since I like to court twink affiliates and make relationships) and he accuses me of being a scammer. He also keeps referring to this as a blog. It isn’t. It is a webmaster forum for people to connect with each other in the gay porn industry.
This FORUM isn’t run by Stunner Media-- its run by Bjorn of GayDemon, I think that is pretty obvious.
As for BareTwinks, you’re completely wrong. It is sorted by popularity. It has the exact same tour as my TastyTwink site. The only difference is TastyTwink has a sort link where you can change popularity to date.
What constitutes a popular scene? I’ll make it super simple for you…
“Popularity” in this instance either refers to VIEWS or NUMBER OF HIGH RATINGS. In either case, something from 2012 has been SEEN and RATED a lot more than something from 2014.
When Jay says “The proper channels” he told you over and over again in that response that you should email the support contact conveniently located on each program’s website… and he is completely right. If you want support, contact support. If I want ground beef for dinner I go to the grocery store not to the Cattle Industry’s Annual Convention and hope to find it there.
Just relax. No one here is out to get you-- and if you need help, phrase things politely and intelligently.
Re: Lack of Response from affiliate program people- boycrushcash and helixcash
Looks like you already got a response on that.
Helix Cash is slow at responding but they do respond, and very much still updating. They always pay me, not sure if it’s on time or not but I’ve never had to follow them up. Also remember there is hold on payments which makes it difficult to know exactly when you can expect a payment.
BoyFun is very much still alive. You can contact them at [email protected]
Re: Lack of Response from affiliate program people- boycrushcash and helixcash
Sorry- just got carried away- I realise it’s not that important anyway- again referring to britton.
Look- does anyone think I would waste so much time posting the original stuff if it was just me griping away?
I could quote the discussion I had here over 12 months ago about boycrushcash whic also included information passed on to me from a "big boy’ in the industry-
the landing page was not up to date- it has been fixed.
I am trying to find out why the same has not been applied to baretwinks.
Helixcash- I realise they always pay.
I am going on about LACK OF TIMELY RESPONSES to questions etc.
and I still have no answer to-
And how would you interpret the following Statistics report May 28, 2014 - June 4, 2014- [SIZE=4]JOIN HITS- 304 JOIN SUBMITS- 13
NO INCOME[/SIZE]
When I first tried to get some feedback from helixcash I was told that join submits are the same as join hits! Obviouslt a load of you know what! It took some effort to even get this response…
Finally, this is the meaning of PATRONISING- treat with an apparent kindness which betrays a feeling of superiority.
For example- “âShe’s a good-hearted girl,â he said in a patronizing voice”
synonyms- treat condescendingly, treat with condescension, condescend to, look down on, talk down to, put down, humiliate, treat like a child, treat as inferior, treat with disdain, treat scornfully/contemptuously, be snobbish to, look down one’s nose at
Yes, I know I am a very tiny player in the wonderful and wide world of gay porn (is that sarcastic?) but I am not doing too badly for someone who does not spend a cent to get any kind of marketing response. And, there is a steady, if slow, growth going on despite using “dinosaur-like” websites. You see I maintain that it is CONTENT that counts.
If you want to help that’s great but just don’t treat my issues as of no real value. Thanks over and out.
Re: Lack of Response from affiliate program people- boycrushcash and helixcash
Well, as I understand it, Join Hits is hits that happen when a ‘buyer’ hits the join page. Submits is when they click to go to the next step of joining. So no, not quite the same thing. As to no income, well sometimes a site has ‘enter email and password’ before you get to the price points, so that can count as a submit, and why they don’t go thru to enter the cc details. hence no income.
Re: Lack of Response from affiliate program people- boycrushcash and helixcash
Ian is correct. When a surfer reaches the Join page, that is counted as a join hit. A Join submit would be that sufer entering the account details and then proceeding to the biller page (where he actually enters the CC details).
304 hits => 13 submits => no sales mean 304 people arrived on the join page, 13 of those actually completed the form but when arriving on the billers page, none of those actually completed the purchase.
Now this depends on the traffic you send and its quality. Usually around 50%+ of your submits will convert into actual joins, but that is not always the case. Sometimes you can get 3 submits and 3 joins in a day, sometimes you get 20 submits and 1 sale in the same day. On average, quality traffic affiliates will have a 50%+ conversion from submits (so 13 submits would convert into 6-7 joins). Lower quality traffic has a lower conversion rate (some tubes can send much more submits before actually landing a sale, simply because their traffic is mostly interested in free videos and not buying videos).
In regards to Helix, they have a very respected program, their sites are doing well and the fact that you had a bad conversion rate in 1 week doesn’t mean they are trying to hide any joins or do anything to screw you over. You might just have had a week with no luck or the traffic you sent had lower quality than usually, it happens to bigger affiliates too.
Re: Lack of Response from affiliate program people- boycrushcash and helixcash
Thank you for that full and factual response andreiDL.
The latest on helixcash for me is that I am now not able to use their contact system- when I hit submit nothing happens- seems strange to me that this has started around the same time as I made the first post here.
Also up until then their tracking system was showing hits from all my sites- now IT DOES NOT SHOW 2 of them.
Very strange and also you wonder why people become cynical especially when emails are not responded to and an affiliate is unable to use the onsite contact system.
IS THERE AN INDUSTRY OMBUDSMAN or some way of lodging formal complaints or having issues investigated or do we just have to have blind faith?
Re: Lack of Response from affiliate program people- boycrushcash and helixcash
[QUOTE=mick_ozman;150687]Well there you go then.
And where are all the smaller affiliates on this site- seems to me they are not here![/QUOTE]
There are a lot of them here, but they don’t post. It’s the same on a lot of webmaster forums. Many use this forum as a place to learn rather than interact, but there are a lot of “smaller” affiliates I write content for who are regular visitors, they choose not to post because they either have nothing to say or they feel that they don’t yet know enough to speak with confidence.
I don’t know what you are suggesting with the statement, but you seem to be suspicious about absolutely EVERYTHING.
Re: Lack of Response from affiliate program people- boycrushcash and helixcash
OK well click on this link then and tell me what you think is going on- http://www.belamionline.com/free/models/?WMID=208867&ModelName=KevinWarhol
-this is what I get and it’s not a chrome response-
Server Error
404 - File or directory not found.
The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
I have sent 3 emails to [email protected]
NO RESPONSE after 3 days
How would you feel if in good faith you had been using this url sent on joining the belamicash program and have it over 3 websites and 5 blogs-
“Link your traffic directly to a models page http://www.belamionline.com/free/models/?WMID=208867&ModelName=TimHamilton
(add model name here, no parentheses)”
How would you feel then?
We do have a new tour coming out soon, but in the end stats decide what tour is displayed. We split test and let the sales decide.