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I’m on it.
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The purpose of the warning page is to warn people that there is nudity inside, therefore, many link lists don’t allow nudity on the front page. Don’t worry, the surfers know that the frontpage is BS and 99.9% will click through your enter link at the bottom. They’re familiar with the whole freesite concept and know how to use them.
Cheers
Michael
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[QUOTE=RottenRay;7917]Ben,
There are shitpot of links that go to pages which don’t match the link titles in all your sites.
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Such as…? Please give me an example.
The basic site layout is nothing noteworthy.
Thanks for the sincerity.
I will be changing it soon.
It has, however, stood the test of time and does sell well, so apart from the fact that I got bored with it, I don’t see any other reason to change it.
Also, is there a reason you skipped embedding ICRA or RTA tags?
The last is something which REALLY pisses me off - there are some parents who take the time to filter their kids’ internet experience and we should be meeting them at the halfway point.
I think you’re going a bit too far with this. The site is clearly porn oriented, and if those parents have any intention to filter porn sites, their software will tell them my site is a porn site. I am NOT obsessed with the delusional idea that porn is somehow the greatest evil for the kids.
I will embed an ICRA label, but certainly not on every single site (only on the hub). Actually I embedded them on my AVS hub almost 3 years ago.
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the thing that makes it obvious to filtering software that the site is porn oriented is the ICRA or RTA tag on every single page in your site. it’s easy to do this, takes almost no time at all, so why not do it on every page?
[quote=Ben;8125]I think you’re going a bit too far with this. The site is clearly porn oriented, and if those parents have any intention to filter porn sites, their software will tell them my site is a porn site. I am NOT obsessed with the delusional idea that porn is somehow the greatest evil for the kids.
I will embed an ICRA label, but certainly not on every single site (only on the hub). Actually I embedded them on my AVS hub almost 3 years ago.[/quote]
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Patti,
I will consider putting ICRA label on every page in my sites. However, you must know by now that even general search engines, let alone adult filtering software CAN recognize a porn site even without ICRA or RTA label, solely on the basis on its more than obvious text and probably other methods (but I can’t go into that now).
As for my sites, there is the word “porn” in the name of the domain; titles, meta tags and the text on each and every page of every site clearly show that the site is porn oriented.
Even before I put an ICRA label on one of my other sites, virtually all search engines and even ALEXA knew that that site was adult oriented.
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[QUOTE=dzinerbear;8115]The purpose of the warning page is to warn people that there is nudity inside, therefore, many link lists don’t allow nudity on the front page. Don’t worry, the surfers know that the frontpage is BS and 99.9% will click through your enter link at the bottom. They’re familiar with the whole freesite concept and know how to use them.
Cheers
Michael[/QUOTE]
The purpose of a warning page for me it to make sales. 
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Interesting. I never thought of a warning page as the place to makes sales from lol
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ICRA & RTA Labels…
Folks, I didn’t mean to touch off a powderkeg here. But face the facts - there ARE extreme right-wingers who DO consider porn to be the root of all evil.
It’s not hard to include the metatag (<link rel=“meta” href=“http://www.realamateursproject.com/labels.rdf” type=“application/rdf+xml” title=“ICRA labels” />) in your header, and when every page you spew has it, it simply makes the industry look more responsible.
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and getting back on track… build build workshop… remember! 
So being a bit more constructive.
Ben, a few points with what I like and dont like about for example this one of your free sites:
http://www.free-porn-masters.com/sites/randymenforallseasons/
I LIKED this:
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Did you think about the text on every page for every individual set (that’s sponsor’s text), or about the text on the first (index) page? I recently discovered that although most of my freesites are indexed by Google, all that is indexed is my warning page text 
and it seems it doesn’t go further into the sites. So I started making my unique text for index pages. I don’t know if that will help my SEO.
I did NOT like this:
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Could you please give a few examples of free sites whose design you really like? For instance I like Dzinerbear’s, Marcjacob’s and Rudeboxx’s freesites but they are so unique that I can’t make something too similar, it would be mere copying
I realize my design is not anything special but I figured it’s just a freesite, people want to see porn so what’s the use of elaborate design. Anyhow I’ll be submitting a new site to you soon which will have less banners and a different color scheme (but it will still be a variation on one of my earlier templetes). Then after I get inspiration I’ll make different templates.
I must say that this particular template sells very well. I made it almost as a joke on the spur of a moment on one sunny day in summer 2005 and was pleasantly surprised it made a ton of RB sales. Since then I used it as a sort of a blueprint for pretty much all my other freesites. This particular free site has made four RB sales so far.
A bit too much free content all in one site for my liking.
I would never have hardcore or even fully nude pictures on the warning pages. Having hardcore sex on a warning page sort of defeats the purpose of that page.[/LIST]
As for too much content, I agree - but this approach also has worked well, who knows why. I should definitely experiment with less content.
Hardcore sex on the warning page - I completely agree. It’s a habit I got from building AVS sites. However, I censored everything there.
Anyway thats some of what i could think of. And i would definitly list the sites as they are now on gaydemon.
Thanks for the review! And of course I thank you for listing my sites on Gaydemon.
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Didnt think of that in regards to the text through out the site or not. Any real text created for a site is great no matter what page its used on. Better yet if its also used in Meta tags. I think using your own text is definitly a benefit and im sure worth the time. Even if its only on the warning page.
When I mean basic, i simply meant that being a designer i can easily spot that its a table grid where you put everything into. Spicing it up maybe with some shaded backgrounds, some little lines and shadows… just anythign really. And since its a template you would only have to do that once.
Rudebox is probably my favorite design wise, but Micheals are great content wise because you can easily see how much time he spend on each and every site / gallery. While still creating 10 or so a week.
Its the kind of effort that people used to put into doing sites in the past but you dont see often anymore.
[quote=Ben;8272]Did you think about the text on every page for every individual set (that’s sponsor’s text), or about the text on the first (index) page? I recently discovered that although most of my freesites are indexed by Google, all that is indexed is my warning page text and it seems it doesn’t go further into the sites. So I started making my unique text for index pages. I don’t know if that will help my SEO.
Could you please give a few examples of free sites whose design you really like? For instance I like Dzinerbear’s, Marcjacob’s and Rudeboxx’s freesites but they are so unique that I can’t make something too similar, it would be mere copying
I realize my design is not anything special but I figured it’s just a freesite, people want to see porn so what’s the use of elaborate design. Anyhow I’ll be submitting a new site to you soon which will have less banners and a different color scheme (but it will still be a variation on one of my earlier templetes). Then after I get inspiration I’ll make different templates.
I must say that this particular template sells very well. I made it almost as a joke on the spur of a moment on one sunny day in summer 2005 and was pleasantly surprised it made a ton of RB sales. Since then I used it as a sort of a blueprint for pretty much all my other freesites. This particular free site has made four RB sales so far.
As for too much content, I agree - but this approach also has worked well, who knows why. I should definitely experiment with less content.
Hardcore sex on the warning page - I completely agree. It’s a habit I got from building AVS sites. However, I censored everything there.
Thanks for the review! And of course I thank you for listing my sites on Gaydemon. :)[/quote]
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I’m not sure whether the free site workshop is finished or not, but I found it really useful.
Would be great to have another workshop, and I vote for ad text 
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Yes, I was happy to get some feedback, too.
I wish more people had participated and made comments. But I guess if you don’t make freesites, you wouldn’t know what to say.
What might be an interested experiment would be for us all to use the same photo set, submit in our own styles and then share the results.
Michael
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[quote=dzinerbear;8963]Yes, I was happy to get some feedback, too.
I wish more people had participated and made comments. But I guess if you don’t make freesites, you wouldn’t know what to say.
What might be an interested experiment would be for us all to use the same photo set, submit in our own styles and then share the results.
Michael[/quote]
I am a lurker on this one, but I have to say, I would have liked to have seen the submissions not all thrown together, but separated, which would have made it easier for me to follow and not be soo confused whistle
Heck, it might have spurred me onto actually trying to do one. :bang:
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[QUOTE=Gaystoryman;8973]I am a lurker on this one, but I have to say, I would have liked to have seen the submissions not all thrown together, but separated, which would have made it easier for me to follow and not be soo confused whistle
Heck, it might have spurred me onto actually trying to do one. :bang:[/QUOTE]
You bring up a good point. I was going to comment on them, but i got very confused as to what said who about what site.
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Yes I agree, it would have been better to have each in a separate thread. I think Ben got lost in the discussion and didn’t get a lot of feedback, I think.
Michael
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Yes I enjoyed it too and got some cool tips. I find it hard to comment on peoples free sites when I dont really know what im doing myself though lol
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we could try that next time, but i think that some people’s posts would end up buried so they wouldn’t get the same attention as others. that’s why i decided to do it on a single thread.
thoughts?
[quote=Gaystoryman;8973]I am a lurker on this one, but I have to say, I would have liked to have seen the submissions not all thrown together, but separated, which would have made it easier for me to follow and not be soo confused whistle
Heck, it might have spurred me onto actually trying to do one. :bang:[/quote]
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If they were sticky threads while the thingy was running they might not get so lost.
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Unless there was a seperate area for the current workshop. So on the front page the list would look like this:
Webmaster Discussion
General webmaster chat
Workshop: Free Sites
The current workshop is free sites
etc…
Then inside that section, each participant has their own thread, they post their entry and all comments go under there.
At the end, the threads become unsticky and the new workshop subject takes over.
Would that work?