Canonical Site Question (SEO)

I’ve got a confusing situation and I’m wondering what people (who understand SEO) think about it…

I’ve built a bunch of new sites, they’re coming along, I’ve got traffic on them, but don’t consider them “done” yet. Put simply, they’re a network of niched sites (bareback, oral, fetish, and vanilla/other are the core niches). Users on any site can see the content on other sites in most cases. That said, each of the niched sites has content which it owns itself – blogs, tube videos, etc. So even if another site can display that content, there’s a canonical meta tag that tells Google which site “owns” it.

The question is about the other content, which for lack of a better term is “reference content” (there’s a lot of it). Basically the reference content came out of the fact that when I was doing blogs with WordPress and tube stuff with MechBunny each of my sites might have the same tag page and so my tag pages were competing with each other and only told part of the possible story. For example all of the sites might have a tag page on “muscle”. Or with a performer like Park Wiley – he’s done condom, bareback, fetish, so there would be stuff about him scattered all over the place. Ditto for sponsor sites that change over time (from condom to bareback, or from a tight niche to something broader) – their content was scattered all over my different sites. So the goal with the redevelopment was to have a single “tag” page that had everything from all my sites. And for things like sponsor sites and porn stars the page goes way beyond a simple tag page and show statistics about the site/model.

When I first set things up I made programmatic decisions based on the data I had on the model, or the sponsor site, etc. But now I’m starting to wonder whether all the “reference material”, tag type pages, should just be assigned (via canonical meta tags) to the most generic site. Originally I saw the vanilla site as a catch-all site that had everything not assigned to the other sites, but in as I’ve developed the site and fleshed things out, in practice it’s got a little bit of everything.

The argument for keeping things how they are (with programmatic assignments that might change over time) is the fact that it spreads out the pages over the sites and more content makes each of the niche sites stronger (theoretically). Plus, do I really want someone who’s looking for TIMFuck or Owen Hawk to go anywhere but my bareback site? And things that are on my bareback site will probably perform better because it’s inherited everything from my rawTOP porn blog and my bareback tube site, and Google should give some credit to that history.

The argument for putting all the reference material on a single generic site is that it will probably make more sense to googlebot since the canonical site won’t change. And it should strengthen the generic site, which isn’t nearly as strong as my bareback site.

A hybrid option might be to assign everything to the generic site but allow for overrides when the person / site in question is strongly tied to one of the niches. So TIMFuck and BarebackThatHole would be assigned to my bareback site, but something like ChaosMen or CorbinFisher (which changed from condom to bareback) would be assigned to the generic site. But then there are question marks like Fraternity X and Sketchy Sex where the “jock” / “college boy” theme is as strong or stronger than the bareback theme. So maybe the criteria has to be that the major theme of the site has to be the niche in question rather than does the site merely fit the niche?

Anyway, if you have an opinion on how I should proceed I’m all ears. I’ll launch a bunch of AMP pages in the next week or so and will probably start any change with those pages and change existing pages slowly over time.

A hybrid option might be to assign everything to the generic site but allow for overrides when the person / site in question is strongly tied to one of the niches.

This was honestly what I was thinking as I read what you wrote, yes it wont work 100% perfectly when a site had multi themes such as the college boy style stuff but having a hybrid system allows more for you to assign based on what you “feel” a site fits best or where you most “want” google to send the traffic. Will be more manual work than just assigning all to a generic site, but in this world that’s sort of what brings the traffic best.

The argument for putting all the reference material on a single generic site is that it will probably make more sense to googlebot since the canonical site won’t change.

This also has some merit in the hopes of not “confusing” googlebot, but honestly I feel that in this day and age googlebot is a lot more intelligent than a lot give it credit for (or at least the algorithms it feeds back to are) or even than they were 1-2 years ago.

I still feel that If I was in your situation I would be pursuing the hybrid model you mention above.

How did this go for you?

I’ve actually done canonical redirect of parts of one old site to another however I see no difference since marking up the pages. Both sites, the one with canonical and the one recieving the links so to speak have not had any changes in traffic.

This actually reminds me that I had some AMP pages I was going to deploy that I didn’t deploy.

From what I’m seeing, Google may appreciate the gesture of having a canonical tag (it demonstrates that you’re not just scraping the content), but in the end they show whatever they feel like showing. Here’s an example of how weird it can get…
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That’s from the results of showing [site:spunkbud.com/pornstar/] – so it should just show the results from SpunkBud.com. The 1st and 3rd one are how it’s supposed to be. Notice the title ends in " – Spunk Bud – gay porn", but with the middle one they’ve pulled the page from BBBH.com (notice how the title ends in " – #BBBH – gay bareback porn") but they’re showing it as having the URL from SpunkBud.com even though it’s not the HTML from Spunk Bud.

I’m gradually migrating my pornstar pages over to a single domain. I’m doing one letter of the alphabet every two weeks. I didn’t want to shock Google by changing 17,000+ pages all at once.

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Thanks for sharing. Yeah im not sure how reliable or good the canonical tags actually are. I would have expected at least some change when putting it up, but nothing at all now for nearly 2 months.

I think Google views canonical tags as suggestions / hints. Canonical tags are intended to be used to solve duplicate content issues. They originally came about because sorting options on product pages on e-commerce sites were causing a lot of (legitimate) duplicate content issues. They’re not the equivalent of redirects. So by using a canonical tag you’re saying “I’m not moving the content because this page/URL is important to the user experience, but if you’re going to send traffic somewhere, send it over there”. But in Google’s eyes, that’s just a suggestion. Canonical tags are implemented incorrectly all the time, so they take the canonical tag as a suggestion and then just do what they feel is best.

If you’re abandoning a section of your site and everything exists somewhere else, then do a 301 redirect to the new location. That’s the only sure-fire way to move traffic from A to B. That said, if you’re not ready to shut down an entire section, canonical tags at least signal to Google not to give duplicate content penalties to the content that has been moved while you’re still working on moving other content prior to shutting down the section of the site.

No in my case im experimenting with one site that has the same videos as another, the only difference minor text / title and design. I want to see if Google doesnt like the facts its pretty much the same content / videos and in some way punishing one or the other site. Doesnt seem to be the case.

Are the sites on the same IP? Do yo have non-private registration (so Google could tell both sites have the same owner)? There are ways Google can tell duplicate content isn’t spam…

Same servers, same type of registration… a lot of things are pretty much the same. My concern is that while it might look different the actual video files are identical. Just that the stuff that surrounds them is slightly different so to speak. For some time I’ve felt that it might be having a effect on each other (the sites). Then again the video market is quite saturated with lots of big sites.