Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
They are still no2 for “gay tube” which would be the major search term, I can’t even imagine the amount of traffic you would get from that!
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
I really dont want to be the pessimist here, at all, but im looking at it logically.
Google has always ‘supported’ the file locker sites and the torrent sites, you search for a lot of new movies, and software most of the time you will see some rapidshare links or filestube links. In fact they are the two MOST requested removed URLS, but google still puts these guys on top when you search. I really dont think that issuing google these requests about ManHub will effect their ranking, but on the other hand, we must push on and try to fight piracy. I just think its a battle that Google simply wont support.
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Sorry, I think you’re looking at this emotionally, as do most people in our business. And that’s understandable because theft costs us all a lot of money. But Google wants to give people what they are looking for, if people are looking for “free gay movies” or “the holocaust is a lie” then Google wants to return results that best suit the surfer’s search.
It’s not Google’s job to determine what is right or wrong. If we start demanding that Google stop returning results for holocaust denial sites because we think they’re wrong, then how does Google deal with people requesting they stop returning gay coming out sites because being gay is immoral.
Google is not the arbiter of what is right or wrong. Nor would we ever want them to be.
However, Google seems to have a good system where pirates can be reported. And if there’s any truth to the claim, then too many reports will affect your ranking in the SERPS. That seems to be a perfectly good way of satisfying both sides.
You simply cannot demand that Google stop showing tube sites in the rankings because, again, where does that end? If you want the tubes with illegal content to stop ranking in the SERPS, then it appears you, as a site owner, need to get off your butt and report them to Google. If enough people do this, then apparently, Google suggests this will have an effect.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
[QUOTE=Richard;127726]I really dont want to be the pessimist here, at all, but im looking at it logically.
Google has always ‘supported’ the file locker sites and the torrent sites, you search for a lot of new movies, and software most of the time you will see some rapidshare links or filestube links. In fact they are the two MOST requested removed URLS, but google still puts these guys on top when you search. I really dont think that issuing google these requests about ManHub will effect their ranking, but on the other hand, we must push on and try to fight piracy. I just think its a battle that Google simply wont support.[/QUOTE]
I agree. It probably won’t affect their overall ranking. A site won’t magically disappear from the SERPs.
However, I think there’s something to win. If someone searches for “scene name” or “model name”, Google returns tube site 1 till tube site 10 on the first page of the results. If sponsors submit their DMCA to Google, they will remove the URL from their database. If that’s what it takes to remove a few results from the first page (and hopefully get sponsor sites or affiliate blogs on the first page in stead), I believe it’s worth the effort.
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I agree to a point, but then isn’t Google the most hypocritical when it comes to what they preach?
They demand that we create lengthy and detailed content, original and in-depth pages to satisfy a user, and then they rank shallow pages of ads and a video above everything else. You can search for almost anything in the adult world and see repeated tube pages, with barely anything on them other than copy/paste and ads, out ranking everything.
It also makes me wonder how they can preach on the one hand about content satisfying the needs of a surfer, while offering paid product placement in Google shopping, and providing user-specific results based on your search history.
How can they be offering a surfer what they want if they’re regurgitating what they THINK the searcher wants, rather than offering what is actually a better page? And how can they claim to be offering a searcher a product they actually want when they place their advertisers above everything else?
It’s ridiculous for Google to be making these statements about providing the best answer, while also influencing the results based on their own need for profits, what other people find useful or only providing content they think a surfer wants based on what they’re looked for previously.
I understand what you mean, believe me I do. But Google is a hypocrite, there is a massive difference between what they say the do and what they actually do.
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But the tube sites are giving surfers what they want … free gay movies. I get what you’re saying, they tell us to create unique content and we’ll place better. But perhaps number of updates trumps original content in the algorithm. So a site that updates with 50 videos a day with no written description is going to out rank a site putting up one new video with 500 words of originally written text.
I also agree with you, Google sure has changed the SERPS and they’re squeezing in a lot of their own properties as close to the top as possible. But really that’s just capitalism. Let’s say you go to a car dealership that sells all different kinds of cars, but they’re really owned by GM. They’re probably going to put GM cars mostly at the front of the store and Toyotas at the back. They can still say “We offer the most variety of cars anywhere,” but they are giving priority to their own stuff.
Google probably had this all mapped out in some kind of a 10 or 15 year plan: Years 1 to 5, give everything away for free, get people hooked on all the great variety; then years 5 to 10, start increasing ads to get people used to advertising; years 10+ now that we have everyone hooked on Google, let’s rape them for everything we can and fuck everyone else, we’re not here to give away the farm for free.
It’s pretty brilliant really. We all complaining because we got sucked into all that free traffic and we’re not getting as much anymore. But really, Google isn’t obliged to keep sending us any traffic. Just like I’m not obliged to feature any site on my blogs that doesn’t make me money.
I do get what you’re saying, I don’t particularly like where things are going, but it’s the world we live in. I still maintain that eventually Google will cross a line and people will move on in droves. The same will happen to Facebook, Twitter, and Tumblr. On the Web one thing is certain: nothing lasts forever.
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I strongly believe that Google is more concerned about delivering accurate search results more so than they are penalizing sites that have stolen content.
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They haven’t said that for a long time now. These days they days they prioritize “content that people like”. Quality is defined by how long someone spends on the site, how often they come back, how often they search for the branded terms, etc. The amount of quality text on a page really only affects how you do in long-tail searches. The better they understand the page the more long tail traffic they can send your way.
As Michael more or less said - they’re a business and they need to make money.
Who are you to say what surfers want? Google has had a lot of really smart people working on that question for many years now. I would say they know what surfers want better than any of us do.
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Don’t forget that videos are content as well. A video keeps a surfer busy longer than most lengthy and detailed written article. Time on site is one of the things that tells Google if the content is what surfers are looking for. Surfers read an article in less than a minute (maybe a few if it’s a long article), but they easily spend 20 minutes to watch just one movie.
Re: ManHub.com - Making money on your stolen content?
Some more requests starting to show up: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/copyright/domains/manhub.com/
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Glad to see HomoActiveCash joining the list! And looks like Dominic is keeping them busy too. 
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Danny, for some reason on that list 100% of your URLS were not removed…
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Thanks Richard, I’ll email Dominic and try to find out what the problem is.
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Same again… on frontpage of Manhub have lots of stolen full scenes and dvd’s over 30-60min long… even one that’s 160min long!
I guess nothing works against ManHub, they just continue to use whatever they like.
Is there nothing negative from using stolen content? They just keep doing it and doesn’t seem to cause them the slightest problem. They seem to grow and thrive the more stolen content they have. Compared to us stupid people who do the right thing and get nowhere.
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I don’t understand why affiliates still promote paysites that they run. If all affiliates stopped promoting the sites they may get a hint. But who knows.
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And if all sponsors just stopped supplying video to anyone and everyone, the tube market would crash. Sure, tubes could purchase DVDs and put content up, but if you’re not seeing anything from any membership sites and just wanking old DVD content, then surfers would have to start buying memberships.
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You can’t forget the amateur aspect of the equation. Xtube has a solid business model making money from amateurs that submit videos. I know some amateurs on xtube and cam4 that are making 30k+ a year with almost little or no work.
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If you want to screw with Manhub even more, everyone should upload a couple dozen 10-second clips. If their front page is littered with crap … And if they’re just going to delete them it still causes workflow issues for them.
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Their internal system limits to two minutes. It rejects the clip if its under this.