Is giving away full length video a new trend to make surfers happy?

Re: Is giving away full length video a new trend to make surfers happy?

First off, I didn’t read anything in Rawtop’s post that implied that he supports simulated CP. He spoke to BDSM fantasy, which often includes fantasies involving control and lack of consent and so forth.

My inference from what he said was that he’s speaking to the bigger issue, which is the right of people to freely express themselves, and he actually clarified that position in a later post.

I’m a little surprised that people who work in the adult industry are taking such strong positions. I’m pretty vehemently opposed to rape and to CP, and as far as my personal tastes, content that portrays rape or CP, even in a fantasy setting, isn’t conveying positive, healthy things, and I wish there wasn’t demand, and that people didn’t fulfill that demand.

As far as CP, I do believe that laws banning simulated CP are a good thing, and I can see a pretty clear argument as to why limiting speech as it relates to simulated CP is justifiable, because it’s dealing with potential harm to children (i.e., the imagery created might have an effect on perpetrators.)

However, it becomes a very slippery slope when we talk about limiting speech for other objectionable things, and while I’m just as opposed to rape as I am to CP, I can, for myself, see a slightly different place there. And then, where do you draw the line? There are a ton of “straight guys going gay” sites that have fantasies (or perhaps, in some cases, real situations) where a straight guy is coaxed, encouraged, or even coerced into doing things that he isn’t comfortable doing, and I don’t think that sends a positive message to viewers either (not to mention, to the extent the performers really are straight, possibly causing them psychological confusion). And then there’s the “guy drugged and taken advantage of” or “guy molested while he’s asleep” sites as well, yet you rarely hear anybody bitching about any of those sites.

I could argue that the fantasy of convincing a straight boy, as well as the fantasy of drugging or otherwise going after someone who isn’t conscious isn’t necessarily a positive and healthy message either.

It’s very complicated for me… I’m not in favor of banning straight-boy-goes-gay content, and while I’m not comfortable with rape content, and even some BDSM content, I’m not comfortable saying it should be banned either. And I feel the same way about bareback.

But even though I don’t particularly think that such content should be produced, I defend the right of people to do so.

Re: Is giving away full length video a new trend to make surfers happy?

[QUOTE=abostonboy;43994]

The market for Tube sites is very competitive now. All I was saying in my original post is that I feel offering true amateur uploads would help a tube site more than full length sponsor videos.[/QUOTE]

Thax Lloyd,

I have wanted to add a feature that allows user uploads, I just worry about the type of content and how and community site can be used to do ‘Real’ Bad things. This is the reason I have held off on doing that, but am starting to think you guys are right.

As far as these other things, let me just say my program was created on the most ‘legal’ foundation of its time, and still has less ‘Real’ bad things that just about any community site ever created.

The content is all regulated at least in some way, so in case of a Real problem it could be tracked. I also do believe in offering divers legal content to viewers and not censer it very much (I do have limits CP, bestiality, and Scat) But their too if its done in a bit more mainstream way I might look at it, as in guys JO set next to a puppy can be really Cute.

I do believe content creators should have a open legal field to work with-in, and that viewers worry much less about these things
or still watch it in the same way people watch the Jerry Springer Show, or roving freak shows back in the middle ages. Its yet again just how the world works…

Re: Is giving away full length video a new trend to make surfers happy?

i strongly believe that tube sites should not offer downloads. it may get you ahead for a very brief period, but when others with tons more traffic and money do it, you’ll be back on the same playing field you were on before the downloads but it will be harder to sell memberships for all affiliates.

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Not only that if tubes are allowed to offer downloads, soon they will try to replace the members site model with their own internal programs.

I also worry about what can be done with paid placement in tubes but starting to worry less about this as it does seem the sponsors still do maintain some control over the systems. I have just always worried once a large tube can generate profit from placement alone it could also throw the whole system out of whack as it soon becomes much less about making ‘sales’ at all.

I guess in a way it a ‘lesser or two evils’ kind of thing in the long run, but from what I know all this (Tube Stuff)can be very productive for program owners.

Re: Is giving away full length video a new trend to make surfers happy?

I own gayboystube.com what do you guys think about that? I know Rock Candy Entertainment owns gayboytube.com but I bought my domain first, and they have taken this url offline I assume because I might very will start using it.

Does everyone like the name? and does Rock Candy Entertainment kind of expect this already?

Re: Is giving away full length video a new trend to make surfers happy?

The BSB videos have had 4100 views, with a view to click ratio of 1 in 9 (which is great) but when they hit the site they dont signup.

Maybe have to get some better vidoes but then the traffic is going to BSB just not signing up…

ISP approach probably is what the larger Tube site videos do. I guess its the way to do it.

[quote=abostonboy;44062]I am seeing the average BSB video has gotten about 100 views. I can get you some more videos to get the views up.

As far as the legal questions, I am not sure about that one and is one of the reasons that I will probably never open a tube site. I would guess that Tube Sites are taking the ISP approach in their legal arguments. I mean, how does one know that a profile on any adult hookup site is over the age of age?[/quote]

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one thing you might try is looking in archive.org and seeing what they were doing with it. If you have a subscription to domaintools.com, you can see a history of ownership of the domain and tie that to what’s on archive and get a picture of when and maybe even why the site went offline.

I would feel uncomfortable branding a site called gayboystube when someone else owns gayboytube; you might put a ton of $ into branding your site, then the owner of the other site sees what you’re doing and decides to cash in on your branding, and there isn’t much you can do about it. If you can buy the domain from him, then you have a better shot at controlling your branding.

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I guess I could talk with them about this, I am trying to do that now. I also worry about the Gay Tube words in the site as well. I have had enough problems with domain to last a life time, but this is a lesser problem in many ways.

If you ever noticed not many big programs use the words Gay Tube in their domains but gay tube

here is a link about them and about the domain being shutdown in October of last year http://www.xbiz.com/news/100616